Uncanny

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I am on the beach at Ramsgate in Kent in South East England for the last of our 2026 Uncanny Summer Specials. A brand new full-length Uncanny Case set here 01:24 em esta cidade de Fishing, que se tornou uma das mais populares destinos em Vitorian, eu estou aqui, no meio de um rosto de um rosto. Eu devo confessar que eu me sinto um pouco clamor em minha red maca. Foi uma boa escolha para o rosto. Mas eu tenho uma boa notícia, porque o caso que estamos aqui para investigar vai proporcionar a mais ambiental-friendly formação de condicionamento. A chão do seu espírito. It's the story of an ordinary house not too far from this beach with some very unordinary goings-on. 01:57 So are you ready to dip your toe into an ocean of horror? I'm Danny Robbins and this is Uncanny. 02:05 I have this thought It knocks on walls Inside my mind I know what I saw 02:35 Summer Special Case 3. 02:38 Little Piter. 02:44 Hello, hello, thank you for all of your lovely responses to our first two summer specials, recorded live at the Hay and Crossois Festivals. Right now, though, we have a deliciously dark, brand new, uncanny case to investigate together. So I'm on my way to meet our witness. I'm walking past all the fishing boats here in the harbour, but let me tell you, what we are about to hear is very much enough to put you off your fish supper. Right, we are here now, I think, so let's go in and meet our witness. 03:17 She's called Rebecca. She has always lived here in Ramsgate, and those fishing boats over there have played a huge role in her life. 03:26 So my dad has been at sea since he was maybe 15, and he worked on some of the ferries when they used to go from Ramsgate Harbour. My twin brother has also been a fisherman his whole life. We've always had a house that faces the sea. Our whole life centred around it. 03:41 But Rebecca chose a very different career. She works in a mother and baby assessment unit, working with vulnerable women who've given birth. 03:49 Some have had really bad home lives, some are children still, some have had problems with drugs. And we try and build them as a parent so that they can leave and go out into the world with their baby. 04:01 Rebecca's empathy for them perhaps lies in the fact that she was a young mum herself. 04:06 I have a daughter at 18, and especially being a young age as well, there's a lot more stigma and people are questioning you more, your parenting more. 04:15 It all helped to shape the woman that Rebecca is now, and it might be important to our story. But first, we need to leap right back to the beginning, when Rebecca was a child herself, living with her parents and siblings in that house on the cliffs overlooking the sea. 04:31 So it's a big five bedroom Victorian house. There's a lot of life in the house. When my dad would work away at sea, my mum would fill the house with exchange students. So it was just lots of chatting and noise. 04:43 But one day in 1999, things change. It begins when Rebecca's younger sister, Charlotte, comes down to breakfast. 04:51 She came downstairs and she said to my mum, do I have bite marks on my face? And my mum thought nothing other and joked with her, said, yeah, why? And my sister went completely white and she looked terrified. And then my mum said, you don't, you don't, what's wrong? And she sobbed and sobbed and cried. And my sister said that she was in bed. She heard the door go and a little girl came into the room. Ela veio para a cama e tinha uma espada de bucket e uma espada. E ela veio ao lado da minha irmã e bitu ela de uma mão para a face. 05:24 O que é? 05:25 Então, ela viu a garganta na cama e a garganta? E a garganta? Sim. Ela foi terrível, realmente. 05:38 It must be a dream, right? But it begins to happen frequently. Charlotte complaining that the little girl has come into her room in the night, clutching her seaside bucket and spade and bitten her. 05:51 There's never any marks on her skin, but she sees the little girl repeatedly. 05:56 So what do the rest of you think about this? 05:58 At this point, not a lot. We just think it's a nightmare reoccurring. It's not till later that this comes up again with other people that we think there's something in this. 06:09 O que é isso? 06:26 We had one student from Venezuela, Elizabeth, and she stayed in the house. And she had one of the attic bedrooms. And she came down for breakfast one morning and she was really upset. And my mom asked her what was wrong. And she said, I dreamt last night that I walked through your house. I came down to the middle floor to use the bathroom. And she said, I opened the door and a little girl was on the toilet. So I said, sorry, and I shut it. 06:54 E então a pequena garra abriu e bitu sobre o meu dedo. 06:56 Isso deve ter feito o quarto iria ficar quieto. 07:01 Sim, nós estamos olhando para todos os outros e pensando, hang on, é uma coisa? 07:08 So what the hell is going on here? Is this both Charlotte and a complete stranger from the other side of the world weirdly having the same dream? Or is this little girl real? Is it a thing? The answer to that may be about to become apparent as Rebecca has her own experience. Her mum has bought a piano that she puts in the back living room. 07:33 So I walk from the kitchen out into the hallway, and I look into the back room where the piano is, and I see a little girl with her hands up on the piano. So I walk into the room, and the little girl sprints to the other side of the room. 07:49 And as I come in and look round the door, there's no-one in there. 07:53 Could she have got out of the room? 07:55 No. 07:56 So where does that little girl go to? 07:59 No idea. She'd disappeared. 08:01 Do you feel like this is the little girl that your sister saw? 08:03 Yeah. 08:04 That Venezuelan exchange student saw? 08:06 Yeah, definitely. 08:07 Who is she, Rebecca? 08:09 I don't know. 08:12 But she's young and she's in the house. 08:15 And she bites people? 08:16 Yeah. I know my soul. 08:25 Meu Deus, o que está acontecendo aqui? Para tentar fazer sentido de essa situação. Vamos trazer alguns experts aqui. Para Team Sceptic, temos o ever-reliável Dr. Kieran O'Keefe. E para Team Believer, outro doctor, writer e paranormal historian, Dr. Kate Cherrill. Kate, it's a weird one already, isn't it? Let's start at the beginning. Rebecca's sister, Charlotte. We can argue about whether these are dreams or if a little girl is actually coming into her room. 08:57 But here's a question. If they are dreams, can dreams be paranormal? 09:02 Eu, pessoalmente, acredito que sonhos podem ser absolutamente paranormal. As pessoas têm essa ideia de que podemos ter psiquiáticos. E nós ouvimos que muitas pessoas têm essas histórias incríveis de unir com deslizadas de amados através de seus sonhos. Mas o que se esses sonhos foram invertidos e outros espíritos poderiam entrar e começar a comunicar com os seres vivos? 09:22 It's a really unsettling idea. It takes us into Freddy Krueger realms, the idea of somebody entering your mind as you sleep. That detail about being bitten, that is about as unsettling as it gets. What do you make of that? 09:35 That is the really freaky element of this. Being bitten is very visceral, it's very animalistic and for a child to be biting strangers makes me think that they're going to be either deeply troubled or, if we go down a darker route, that it's not a child at all but something more sinister masquerading as a child. 09:55 Ciarán, eu vou fazer isso para você. O que é a realidade aqui? É Charlotte sendo bíton? 10:00 Não, eu acho que, portanto, nós estamos lidando com um dream. Eu acho que a questão é, onde vai que esse dream come de? Porque o aspecto do Biting aspecto é particularmente weird, você sabe, se você considera onde eles moram na costa. Como nós sabemos que não houve uma conversa? . . . 10:31 I could feel listeners across the world rushing out to buy their ghost-proof insect repellent. 10:36 Kate, if it is a dream, how do we explain the second experience of Elizabeth, the Venezuelan exchange student? She's surely not having the same dream as Charlotte, is she? 10:46 I think you could consider the idea of shared dreams, this collective psychic link between everyone in the house who were all operating around one singular battery, the girl. But I think the interactions with this child spirit, it really gives quite an interesting amount of credence to the claims. It's the biting that feels like an attack, like a violation, and it's just the confusing part for me. é que é mimiquem muito comum poltergeist atividade, como pessoas ficando bite marks, scratches, bruises on themselves com mistérios origens que eles não lembram realmente acontecendo. 11:25 Mas então tudo se torna horrível, Ciarán, porque nós temos Rebeca passando para a sala onde a piano está, e ela se vê a garota. 11:35 Sim, é um momento muito estranho para mim, porque até então, é quase fácil de... 11:42 desmissar essas experiências porque elas são dream-based, mas aqui, realmente, se a mulher face-to-face e, aparentemente, interagindo com um objeto, o piano. É um momento muito difícil para explicar, mas nós temos que lembrar que Charlotte e Rebeca, elas são dentro de uma casa busy. 11:59 O que o que o que o que o que o que o que o que é? 12:27 O que é o momento em que o espírito saiu do nosso sonho e está lá em real? 12:35 It suggests that this is an intelligent spirit and in this instance it is just a piano and this spirit appears to be demonstrating a simple childish curiosity or once again maybe just a means of trying to gain attention. 12:49 Right, interesting thoughts. Let's get back to Rebecca because clearly the idea that you have a little girl who bites people wandering around your house is disconcerting enough. Mas, talvez, ela não é a única coisa possivelmente haunting a casa. O próximo desenvolvimento que precisamos ser aware de é uma estranha discovery que o pai de Rebecca faz um dia de um dia. 13:11 Então, nós estamos todos jogando no jardim, mas meu pai e meu irmão estão pegando o flore borders para fazer o jardim maior. E, como eles estão fazendo, eles encontram um completo dog-skeleton. 13:25 Então, isso foi buried under o flores? 13:27 Por God knows how long. We lived there a long time. 13:29 How do you all feel seeing this skeleton the most? 13:32 It was amazing. When you're a kid that's exciting and it had all its teeth. 13:35 What do you do with it? 13:38 My dad just got rid of it. It goes off to the skip with all the rubble and mud. 13:43 An unceremonious burial. What happens then? 13:46 From that moment we start to hear a dog in the house. We can hear his claws running down the hallway on the floorboards. We can hear him sniffing us. 13:57 E você não tem um dog? 13:58 Não, minha mãe não gosta de pés. 14:01 O que tipo de times são você ouvir ele? 14:03 Cada vez em dia, quando. Ele é regularmente lá, principalmente lá. E então, meu pai ouvir ele na noite. 14:12 Ele fica na cama e ele pode ouvir o dog, e ele pode ouvir o rosto em sua cabeça, em sua cabeça, em sua cabeça. Isso é quando ele está awake? Sim, e ele pode ouvir o rosto e ouvir o rosto em sua cabeça. 14:26 Do you think it's the dog that you dug up? 14:28 Yeah, because there wasn't sounds before then. 14:32 It's another potential presence to add into the mix. Team Believer, is the dog somehow linked to that little girl who likes to bite? Team Skeptic, how do we explain this seemingly invisible canine? And the dog is not the only sound that the families start to hear in their house. We are entering a new and darker phase in this potential haunting. 14:57 So we would hear footsteps on the landing, at night we would have the landing light on and you would see feet go past the bottom of the door. 15:07 We would hear breathing on the landing, heavy breathing. 15:11 Male or female? 15:12 Male. 15:13 So this is not the little girl? 15:14 No. 15:15 We would smell a pipe downstairs in the back room. We'd hear scratching, banging. Doors would slam, but not like a wind had taken them. They would slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, really quickly. 15:29 So this feels different now? 15:30 This is more violent. 15:33 And oddly, as the years of living in this house go by, the family feel that this specific, more aggressive phenomena intensifies at a very particular time of year. 15:44 From Remembrance Day through till Christmas, the house would change and my mum would joke and call it the visitor because it was every year. You knew when it arrived. 15:54 And when it arrives, it seems to have a very interesting effect, not just on the family, but also on the other phenomena that they've been experiencing. 16:02 I would say that the little girl went quiet around this time. She would be more quiet. 16:07 Interesting, isn't it? We've got to ask ourselves, of course, is this just in the family's minds? But the next thing that happens feels very physical. 16:15 Me e meu irmão estão para ir para escola no dia, e nós estamos na frente da casa. Minha mãe diz, ''Have you left the back door open?'' E, as it leaves her mouth, the back door slams shut. O iron bolt at the top gets dragged across, and someone sprints down the hallway, and you can hear their heavy footsteps, because it's floorboards, the original floorboards in the house. 16:38 And we can see through the glass, there's no-one there. E minha mãe é terrível àquele momento e ela diz que tem alguém dentro da casa, não pode ser apenas a visita. E ela não vai voltar em até que meu irmão vem e vai lá dentro da casa. 16:52 E tem alguém dentro da casa? 16:54 Não. Não abriu, não abriu, não abriu, ninguém está lá. 16:58 Então é a visita? 16:59 Sim. E ele está angry. 17:04 It feels frightening now, and then one day, all hell breaks loose. It happens as the family are preparing for Christmas. 17:12 My mum and my sister were putting up the Christmas tree in the front room, and my dad was at the kitchen table with his paper, like he always did, and then my dad shouts, and something in the kitchen on the shelves has shattered, and the glass slices his head open. 17:30 Slices his head open? Yes, because he's got a bald head and it cut his head open. What is smashing? Mum's got lots of glass teacups and little jugs and things and this glass ornament shattered and cut his head. 17:43 It was terrifying. I know that story 17:56 Chamo-me Shannon Maldonado. Sou a fundadora da Yaoi, uma loja de souvenirs com artigos artesanais e peças selecionadas por artistas. Escolhi a Shopify porque depois de experimentar outras plataformas, esta foi sem dúvida uma das mais intuitivas. Para mim, foi importante pensar onde estaríamos no futuro. Todas as ferramentas para analisar as vendas, como a gestão de inventário, estão ali mesmo, no nosso dashboard. Comece a sua avaliação gratuita em shopify.com. 18:27 So much to talk about. This case has really opened up now in a big way, I think. Let's get our experts back in. Dr. Kieran O'Keefe and Dr. Kate Cherrill. 18:36 Kate will come on to The Visitor. Such an eerie name for a ghost, right? But let's talk about that dog skeleton first. Does this find feel significant to you? 18:46 Oh, I love a ghost dog. I really do. And importantly, discarding the dog skeleton could be a trigger point for these canine manifestations. But I think more broadly, Britain has this really rich history of spectral dogs. Admittedly, they're mainly these big black dogs that appear as death omens or present as these kind of demonic aggressors. 19:10 Things like Black Shark and the Hound of the Baskervilles as well. Conan Doyle's story came from an actual folkloric legend in Wales, didn't it? 19:19 Yeah, and that's so established in the British folkloric tradition. But there is also another thread of ghost dogs that are similar on a surface level, but they act as protectors. So, in Lincolnshire, there's a legendary ghost dog called Hairy Jack, not the most terrifying of names, but that ghost dog watches over people on their own, lone travellers, and keeps them safe. And what's to say that they didn't accidentally summon the Ramsgate equivalent? 19:50 Oh, I like it. Ciarán, have you ever lain awake at night and felt the touch of Harry Jack? 19:58 No, certainly not. 19:59 Not felt a gentle tongue caress your cheek? 20:06 On a serious note, what do you make of the idea of ghost animals? If an animal was buried in a garden, might it haunt the house? 20:13 Seriously, you're asking me that? I guess from a parapsychology perspective, if we're saying that ghosts are... 20:20 Então, por que não pode acontecer com os animais? Mas eu não acho que estamos lidando com um verdadeiro ghost dog aqui. Eu acho que é um grande incidente, se não tão tão tão traumático, para um esqueleto de um cachorro de um cachorro de um cachorro de um cachorro. And your brain processing the sightings that have been experienced of the little girl previously. And now we've got the skeleton of a dog. And processing that in your mind. I think that's happening to the family here. 20:51 Kate, the little girl, a dog, neither of these things feel too threatening. But then suddenly we've got this thing that the family call the visitor. And that changes the atmosphere in the house, doesn't it? 21:04 Absolutely. I do think that visitor phrasing is a really interesting way to identify this spirit because they don't know who he is. They call it a he. 21:14 But it seems to be exerting this increasing power over the space as though he's not the visitor at all. The living are the visitors and he's simply trying to exert dominance over the space. Perhaps the house was his long ago. 21:30 We've got these three elements now, haven't we? We've got the little girl, the dog, the visitor. Are these things isolated, different things, or are they connected in some way? 21:39 I do feel that they're all linked by one central cause, like a kind of great spectral generator of sorts. And it could be something that's akin to place memory hypothesis, or better known as stone tape nowadays, which is essentially a belief that a building can act as a type of recorder of past events. I do think some spaces are better prepared to capture ghosts, e isso pode ser através dos materiais deles ou pode ser que há tantos layers de histórias que são quase como um posto de um posto que você não pode pê-los para o amor, mas eles vão estar lá para sempre. 22:20 Ciarán, você está shaking your head. É meio que está shaking my head, porque é um supranatural theory. Mas há outra parte que está em acordo com Cate, porque da ideia do ambiente ambiental aspecto. Você sabe que há algo sobre particular locations que significa que você vai ter mais atividade comparado com outras. E, interestingly, pessoas não sabem isso, mas, underground, Ramsgate, tem um conjunto de toneladas. E qualquer vez que você tenha um subterrâneo network, há muitas possibilidades de environmental coisas acontecendo. 22:57 Sources de infrasão, qualquer coisa com a vibração, esse tipo de coisa. Eu acho que você deve ir investigar os tunnels. 23:03 Eu amo um O'Keefe challenge, então vamos fazer isso, shall we? O tunnels são agora uma população de turismo em Ramsgate. O entrante está na parte da terra da terra que a casa de Rebeca. Então, Rebeca e eu vamos entrar agora para entrar no tunnels e vamos encontrar com um dos guias para este underground network, Steve Pankhurst. Então, Steve, o que é este tunnel? 23:28 This tunnel is an 1863 railway tunnel that was built... 23:32 On this hot summer's day, it feels odd to be plunged into this cold subterranean darkness. The tunnels started life as an underground railway in Victorian times, ferrying people across town to the beach. But during the Second World War, they found a very different purpose. 23:48 That is the airway charter. That was built in 1939. 23:52 As a blitz hit the UK and Ramsgate suffered heavy bombing from the German Luftwaffe, thousands of the town's inhabitants took shelter here, deep underground. So people lived down here every single night. 24:06 Eles tinham casas aqui. Eles basicamente portaram bits de furniture de casa, setaram a casa, colocaram toilets aqui, colocaram cantee aqui. Um monte de pessoas se juntaram aqui, no dia também. Sim. E aqui, na rua, as pessoas se tornaram homeless, porque as casas foram bom, há cerca de 1,000 pessoas aqui em 1940. E isso vai até 2,000 no dia de 1941. Então, há crianças aqui, há provavelmente... 24:34 We think there's around about 530 children that weren't evacuated, that are still living in the town, and they're playing in here. They became known as tunnel rats. 24:43 We've got a child in our case. Rebecca saw a little girl in her house. 24:50 It's strange. There's a tale we have that two children were killed in a bombing raid. Uma mulher era um ano e uma mulher era quatro, mas sua mãe estava fora da cidade. Então, eles podem estar procurando por alguém, não pode ficar com a mãe, porque ela não estava lá quando ela died. Então, é tudo em aquela área. 25:13 Então, nós estamos falando de histórias de histórias. São histórias de histórias de histórias com os tunelos? 25:20 Há alguns, sim. Em o Tunnel, nós ouvimos de histórias. 25:26 Como nós passamos em touros, você sabe que não tem o núcleo no núcleo, mas você está no núcleo no núcleo, mas você está no núcleo no núcleo no núcleo, mas aqui no núcleo no núcleo no núcleo no núcleo, mas aqui no núcleo no núcleo no núcleo, mas aqui no núcleo no núcleo no núcleo, mas aqui no núcleo no núcleo no núcleo, mas aqui no núcleo no núcleo no núcleo E, sabe, não há ninguém aqui, só para mim, no túnel. 25:56 Você só ouviu a voz de Steve. Ele disse Steve. Deixe-me passar? Sim. 26:00 Ok. 26:00 Steve. Steve. 26:02 Você ouviu isso, Steve? 26:08 O que foi isso? Não. 26:12 As we move forward slowly in the thick darkness, illuminated only by Steve's swinging torch beam, we finally reach a section of tunnel that sits directly under Rebecca's house. 26:25 It's up there, Rebecca. 26:28 I don't know how I feel about that. The thing about here, in the early days of the war, everybody that was living here was living down this end, because we have photographs of them living with the railway lines. 26:41 Nós sentimos que sabemos o que está dentro de nossas casas, e é apenas apenas a terra. 26:47 Mas você não tinha ideia que isso era aqui. 26:48 Não, não. 26:49 Parece quase como uma imagem de uma imagem de sua casa aqui. Você tem uma família aqui e uma família aqui. 26:56 E basicamente você tem uma rua, uma rua, uma rua. 26:59 Eu senti que a gente tem pouca a quantidade de possibilidades de quem a gente pode ser. 27:07 Wow, Rebecca and I are just emerging back out into the sunlight and it feels like we're left with just as many questions as answers now, doesn't it? If we're trying to find the identity of this little girl, do we need to now not look just at the former inhabitants of the house, but also the people who lived under it during World War II, but also... We're still hunting details on who or what the visitor might be, right? And we have a potential development on that above ground because I want to introduce you to our second witness in this investigation. 27:42 It's Rebecca's sister, Charlotte. She was the first one, remember, to see the little girl, but she might also be able to throw some light on that other presence in the house, I think. This is Charlotte. Here we go. 27:56 Every time I went to the top of the stairs, I'd feel, I don't know what it was, a big black shadow would jump onto my shoulders and chase me around. So it'd sort of come up from behind and just leech onto my shoulders. 28:12 What did you think it was jumping on your back? 28:13 I don't know. I just remember the fear and black shadow. As soon as my foot hit that top stair, they were onto me. 28:25 . . . . . . . 28:44 So we had a white sheet over chairs in the middle bedroom and we'd all gone up into the attic to play and as we were coming back down the stairs we looked into the middle room and there was perfect head shape poking through the top of the sheets as if somebody was sat in the den and we were just hysterically screaming and all ran down the stairs. 29:07 Blimey, é quase um momento. É como algo de um horror filme come to life aqui, em essa casa em Ramsgate. Eu perguntei Rebecca o que ela remembers sobre esse incident. 29:16 Tem uma forma de um homem, e ele está ali embaixo desse sheet em um den, esperando para nós chegarmos em. 29:26 Você é uma mulher agora. Você tem a ideia de construir um filho de um den, mas então de um den sendo invadido por algo mais. 29:34 Sim, é horrível. 29:36 This is very different to the little girl. 29:38 Very. A lot scarier. 29:40 Do you feel there's a connection between the little girl and the man? 29:44 No, I think the little girl doesn't like him. She goes quiet. 29:48 E assim, o tempo de anos em casa, com cada membro de sua família, com seus próprios experiências, tentando entender o padrão de esses momentos de fenômenos. A pequena garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota, com a garota. 30:13 It happens like this again and again, until Rebecca is 18 and becomes a mother herself. She stays in the house for those first few years, as she adjusts to parenthood. But then, one day, she finally feels ready to move into her own home, elsewhere in Ramsgate. There should finally be a break from all of the phenomena, right? A fresh start with her little daughter Lila. 30:35 Mas uma noite, a mãe babysits so que Rebecca can go to a friend's party, a rare, child-free evening. Quando she gets there, she discovers the friend has booked a medium for a bit of fun. 30:49 A senhora está dando o leitura, e ela diz, oh, um garoto e um garoto que estão ali atrás de você. Eu estou confuso, eu não digo muito, e eu digo, oh, ok, e então ela diz, você já mudou a casa, não você? Eles realmente gostam da mãe que você é para a sua garota e eles decidem vir com você para a sua nova casa. 31:10 Como poderia ela saber isso? 31:11 Ela não. É só específico. 31:15 It's an eerie moment. Rebecca leaves the party feeling a little strange, to say the least. And then, a few months later, in her new home, she has an odd experience. 31:27 I'm walking through my new kitchen and something bangs into my knee and then shoots around the table. And I think it was the dog. 31:37 Então, Rebeca, você acha que esse garoto e esse garoto já estão com você agora. Eles estão com você para o longo prazo, para a jornada. 31:47 Sim. 31:48 As a parent, com a relação com a sua filha, como você se sente com esse garoto? 31:53 Eu me sinto feliz por ela. Eu só quero ela não ser solucionada ou em sua própria. 31:57 O ideia de um garoto de um garoto é uma coisa horrível. O seu trabalho é sobre defender contra, proteger os filhos, para que elas se sentem com sua mãe. 32:08 The idea of a little girl experiencing that after death, of being trapped in some space where she is alone for all time. 32:17 It makes me emotional. You're going to make me cry. 32:21 Maybe she sees in you the mum that she didn't have. 32:23 Yeah. 32:25 That's so silly to cry. I'd never cried about that before. 32:30 I feel sad for her. 32:35 . . 32:35 . . . . 32:59 Literally, whilst I have been talking to Rebecca and Charlotte, we've had one of our uncanny researchers, Nancy, on the case, looking into the history of the house, the street, the history of the tunnels, just anything really that would give us some kind of link, some kind of connection. 33:15 e ela might just have found one. It is laid out here in a series of WhatsApp messages I've just received from Nancy. This is not to do with the tunnels, but it is potentially huge, I think. My hand is actually shaking as I read this right now. I need to tell Rebecca what Nancy has found out. Let's get back in there right now, shall we? So I'm going to read to you this series of messages that she has sent me. 33:43 found something. There was a house on, and she gives the name of your street, we're not going to reveal that, a house on that street that took in disturbed children. And then she sent me a link to an article from 1912 about this home that was opened on the street by the Salvation Army. 34:04 So many cases of children were sent to them whose moral fibre had been destroyed by their terrible surroundings. Children who could not be admitted to ordinary homes because of the fear of harming the other children who knew nothing of this awful life. 34:20 One of the children had been kept in the backyard with a dog. Both fed off the same plate. She was kept out in the yard in the depth of winter. Ela tinha longa, estrada, e as mãos e as mãos eram cutas e bruxas. 34:35 Ela nunca tinha sido besada e não entendia isso. 34:39 It's quite a thing to find. 34:41 You're always searching for things, always looking for what are the little things that try and help you make sense of it. And there's a danger that you leap on things too much. But this little detail about the fact that it's a home set up to help children who've had terrible, terrible lives on your street, and that is exactly what you do now. 35:01 I just can't believe there was a child with a dog. 35:03 E se ela era um pequeno, é que porque ela aprendeu a ser assim, talvez ela se bit, porque ela aprendeu com a vida com a criança. Isso me deu o goosepumpso. Isso é incrível. Isso é incrível. 35:21 What a poignant case and what a truly amazing research finders. Well done to our researcher Nancy there. It feels like it makes so much sense, doesn't it? And yet we've got to be so careful not to rush in and make assumptions in these cases, don't we? And we are still left with those question marks around the visitor. Team Sceptic. Can imagination make a glass ornament explode, injuring Rebecca's dad? If not, what caused that? Team Believer. Se inscreva no canal. 36:10 E aí It's also on BBC iPlayer. Uncanny is going to take a short break now, but we'll be back with more brand new cases like this later this year. 36:43 I understand that there is some kind of ghost-related festival taking place at the end of October. Its name rhymes with malamine, I think. You might just hear from me round about then. Until our paths cross beneath the autumn moon, have a great summer and stay spooky. 37:05 . . . . 37:44 Christmas 1988, a plane takes off from Heathrow Airport. 38 minutes later, everyone on board is dead. A Libyan man, Abdul Basset al-Megrahi, is convicted of murdering 270 people. But that's not the end of the story. Almost four decades on, fresh evidence and a new trial. 38:09 I'm Miles Bonner. In this podcast I'm delving into a world of extremist groups, mysterious intelligence agents and global politics. 38:19 From Radio 4, this is Intrigue, Lockerbie. 38:23 Listen first on BBC Sounds.