Podcast and Chill with MacG

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Welcome to Podcast and Chill with Magi. 01:31 I'm assuming this doesn't end well. 01:42 So why are you scared of what? 01:48 Why are you scared of what? Not his name. You said, why am I the only Gassi name? 01:56 No, I said, so I'm the only Houdini. 01:57 It's not a fear thing. No, it's not a fear. But hers are different though. So that would be different to yours. 02:06 Yeah, yeah, definitely. Lazy is where Ricky was from. 02:11 You speak like the deep Zulu. Yeah, yeah. Even your Tocital is still Zulu. 02:15 You can see it. 02:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, slang is slang. Slang. 02:20 Slang. 02:20 Yeah, my slang is like real slang. Like, it's deep slang. 02:23 It's deep slang. Yeah. 02:24 And then the Zulu classes, I don't think like... They look quite the same. Yeah, I didn't look quite the same. Like they speak Zulu with slang at the same time. 02:31 Like the Joburg Zulu. Because the Joburg Zulu is different to the KZNZulu, no? 02:34 Yeah, I tried to say that on a TikTok and I got attacked, bro. I was like, Zulus are not the same. You get a KZNZulu and a Joburg Zulu and... Hey, they are going to attack. That's true, bro. I didn't like hearing that. 02:46 They're different colors as well. You get a Durban colored, you get a Ketan colored, you get a Jova colored. 02:53 And you get also, you get a mixed person who's not colored. 02:56 Yeah, yeah. They're just mixed. 02:57 They're just mixed. 02:58 In Kenya, we used to call them 0.5s. 03:00 In Kenya? Yes. 03:02 Or half-cost. They used to say half-cost. Because I went to school in Kenya. So I knew them as half-cost or 0.5s. So I understand Tyler's chat when she says colored because like mixed was different. It wasn't colored in a sense of like culture. 03:14 Culture, yeah. 03:15 It was just like a Kenyan with a European and they were called 0.5. 03:18 Are you South African? 03:19 I am South African. I just did my high school in Kenya. 03:22 Oh, okay. I thought you were mixed. Yeah. I am mixed in a sense. What do you think? Like moms is from elsewhere and pops is from elsewhere. Yes. I'm right. 03:35 My mom is Zimbabwean. 03:36 Oh, okay. 03:36 And my dad is South African. But I grew up with my mom, obviously, because men don't raise their kids. So you were born? 03:42 I'm getting... I'm also heads. 03:47 I'm also heads. That's a deep chat. Men don't raise their kids. And they both have kids. Daughters. What I will say is baby mamas are crazy. That's what I will say. 03:55 You guys also just change baby mamas. 03:57 Baby mamas are crazy. 03:58 When you... I don't know if you're filming, but I'm saying... It's a double-edged sword. 100%. Because you know what niggas do? 04:02 I assume we are, please. 04:03 You know what you guys do? What? Once you make the girl pregnant, you stop making the effort because you feel like, where are you going to go? Like, are you with me forever? Oh, wow. 04:09 That's a real chat. For real. 04:10 And it fucked them up also. 04:12 Nah. But it's a double-edged sword because also women... Nah. don't put in as much effort as they did in the beginning. That's crazy. Later on in a relationship. 04:19 Guess what? Because they have a kid, they're not trying to raise another child. 04:21 So you're justifying exactly the same thing that you just said now. You said guys do it also. I said girls do it and you justify it. 04:26 No, but I agree because it's not just one-sided. I don't think it can just say men are the problem. It's a double-edged sword. Like you can't say the woman didn't. Yes, I do agree with you. But I'm also, because I'm a woman, I'm going to say what I think it might be. Why I don't do that? Because I've got a kid. I need to do this. It's the first time I'm doing this. Like, babe, give me a chance. 04:45 No, for real. 04:45 Do you want to have children, like kids? 04:48 No. 04:49 Nadia, we've had this chat before. I feel like she goes in and out of this. 04:53 I don't know if we're filming. I was just talking if we're filming. Can I get something hot? 04:56 We are filming right now, I'm sure. Assume we are filming, please. You don't want kids? But we've had this chat before. 05:05 I don't want kids and I don't want marriage. What? 05:08 Now you don't want marriage, Nadia. 05:10 The reason I don't want kids is because I don't want marriage. 05:13 Okay, why? 05:14 Because, like, the reason why I've made sure that I am protected, that I don't get accidental babies. Like, I have contraceptives and stuff. To make sure that doesn't happen because I know that I want to be married and then have a kid. I don't want to do it that way. So you do want marriage. No, no, no. I've grown up. I'm saying it's changed now because I don't want to get married anymore. 05:35 Like, I'd rather have a commitment ceremony. 05:38 Do you know what I mean? 05:39 No, I don't know what you mean. I agree. Please help me through that. Yeah, I agree. So it's like a partnership? 05:43 Yes, it's like a partnership because I feel like when you're married and it's like legally, like things are just all intertwined. It scares me so much because I'm like, you, like I'm a self-sufficient woman. Like I have things, you know? So I also, I think most men also run away from marriage because they're the ones that normally they have things and it's just like, Yeah Especially these days Like if things go Like look what Black Coffee and Nklair went through Like you know So I'd rather have like A commitment ceremony We committed to each other But like legally We're still individual entities So we had this conversation last week Yeah We literally had this conversation It must be fire though If it keeps coming up on its own 06:19 Yeah, but I'm glad that Nadia's here because now she's on my side. No one last week was on my side. 06:25 All the niggas here last week, we were like, no, there's a difference. I was saying it's like, look, I believe there's pros and cons to everything. I was looking at the pros of that. And sometimes on the show, I like to play devil's advocate. Although I might agree with you, I won't say it for the sake of the show. We must be entertainment here. I want to poke at your bear until I get a reaction, you know? So I think my stance is if you pass on, and one of the things we spoke about, if you pass on, let's say you're with Uteo right now, right? He passes. Okay. 06:52 No, no, no, no. Not passes on, actually. 06:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Continue, continue. 06:56 I don't need that time. 06:58 Continue. And they said this last week. If he passes on, now the thing is, you guys are not in anything. Even if you guys had plans together, if he said he wants to be cremated and he had plans for his property or whatever, the family or any other external force can oppose that because you guys didn't have anything to say. You are the wife. You have the right to say your piece because now you're just some girlfriend. 07:22 That he had Throughout his life But my point was In South Africa It still happens It does still happen Where you guys Will be legally married And then the husband Will die And then the family Still wants to come And say no Fuck that You know what I mean Like no You know what I mean So it'll still happen So I don't think it solves anything. If you still want to be a dick about things when you leave your partner, you'll still be a dick about things. So why can't we just be life partners where we have an agreement and say that, yo, I love you. You love me. 07:53 I actually do want to create a family with you. But marriage for me, like the whole signing process is not at the top of my list. You know what I mean? I'd rather have someone that is like, yo, you're at the top of my list. And I don't need marriage to make me feel like we are complete. I'm much more willing to do things for that kind of person than a person that's chasing marriage. Like, marry me, marry me. Like, you know, and I'm like, but why do you want to be married so bad? What's the difference, you know? 08:21 I get your chat because... Sorry? It's not you have a motive behind. Yeah, like what's the... 08:27 It's like you've been indoctrinated into this thing that your marriage is one of those pillars in life. Like one of those goals that you have to... Gotta get them. 08:35 to hit and times have changed isn't that true like when you meet a girl for the first time there'll be a point where she says what are we and that's the first hurdle she's like what are we in a relationship and the next one is I don't know maybe go on a vacation or whatever and the next one is when are you popping the question and the next one is when are you having kids isn't that how it's set up in terms of the steps 08:57 I think because of society. Yeah, I think society, especially as women, we feel like that's probably the trajectory of what our lives need to look like. But I feel like with our generation now, like there's so, I mean, the birth rate has declined. Yes, because things are changing now. Women are protecting themselves now from being an accidental pregnancy. 09:17 Can I just add to that? I saw something recently that spoke about the contraceptives. Apparently there was contraceptives, a bad batch that came out from 20... 09:27 What is it? 2017? I don't know when. I might just be throwing numbers. But basically, people who took that batch got pregnant. And they're now suing. And they're saying if you got pregnant during this time, you could also sue. 09:43 I don't know why, though, because contraceptive is not 100% fail-safe. Even condoms. There's a percentage that they leave out that you possibly can still fall pregnant. 09:51 But if you know that there was a hole in them intentionally, let's say trust drops condoms now, new flavor, whatever. And someone just goes and pokes through all of them. Yes, we already know the chances. 10:01 Oh, I see. 10:04 But I think you were going on the point of like why, how we got here or the things that have changed in society, especially for women. Do you want to touch on some of those things that have changed from like your mom's time to like your time now? 10:15 Yeah, so like even like back then they would have kids probably like from age 18 and get married at 22. Things happen so early for them. We're like now people are like, oh my gosh, getting married at 22 is so crazy. Like having a kid at 18 is so crazy. It's more like getting older. You're seeing women in their 40s that are having their first child now because also the standard of medical care has actually gotten a lot better. That is not as much of a... Danger to your child Or the individual That's having a baby At that certain age So we're allowed To be able to have that choice Of like not having to To have a kid now Or now you can freeze your eggs Or get a surrogate So there's other options That you can choose But also I think As like with the marriage chats Um Women are now, I think there's so many female-led households. 11:01 It's so crazy how many there are in our day and age compared to back then. So women have become so self-sufficient and making sure that they're working and they're looking after themselves and their kids that they no longer see a necessity for a man in a sense of a man that's a provider. Yes, man is a life partner 100%, but somebody that... I need to get married to because he's going to pay the bills and he's going to be the one that's bringing the bread home. And it's no longer that chat anymore because a lot of women are bringing the bread home for themselves. And by choice or not by choice, it just happens, you know. 11:30 And I feel like also on a nigger side, I feel like we're also just not willing to take the chance anymore. 11:36 to tie ourselves down to like, it's like a liability now. Like, how do you feel about that, Doc? I don't want to get married. 11:43 You don't want to get married either, no? 11:45 No. 11:46 You don't want to get married? No, no, no. Speak on it. Why? 11:49 What are the things that make you like so sure and certain that, yo, that's not for you, bro? 11:54 The power is true. 11:57 First of all, it's how like everything happened. 12:01 I didn't grow up in a household where there's a father and a mother at the same time. 12:18 Yo, I'm fair too. 12:21 Or lower the mic. Or lower the mic, man. Or bring the mic down. Or bring the mic down. Just bring it down. 12:25 Yeah, bring the mic down. More down. Out of your face. Out of your face. Yeah, there we go. 12:30 You're good. 12:31 Yeah, yeah. All right. So there was no like... 12:36 Example of it. Example of it. So I don't know none of that. So I don't want to... 12:42 I don't want an inconvenience. 12:45 Why are you laughing? Because I know where he's going, but it's also hectic. 12:50 I don't want an inconvenience. Yeah. But a situation where like... 12:56 I won't be able to do the right things because I don't know much. 13:01 But that's also like, I hear you and shout out to you for being like vulnerable enough to say that. You know what I mean? But it also sounds to me like, damn, bro, you shouldn't speak to yourself like that. You should tell yourself that in a perfect world, you should tell yourself that, yo, you can do anything you set your mind to. And that you have the love to give and that you are like a man that anyone would want to get married to. But the reality of things right now is that I come from a household where, like I said in the beginning, like, yo, I love, love. 13:33 My parents were together until my mom passed away. So I had the perfect example of everything. When my dad, when my mom was the breadwinner. And my dad didn't have a job for some time, and my mom didn't have a job, and my dad had the... You know what I mean? So I saw all phases of it, but I'm still sitting here telling you today that... 13:53 I can't do it! I can't do it! 13:55 Why can't you do it? Because it's now turned into a liability, right? And I say this because of maybe the life that I have lived personally just looks so different from my parents life. Like when they met each other, they were both on the church journey. They were both studying to be ministers. They met studying to be ministers. Then they both decided, you know what, we're going to get our doctorate degrees in theology. And they made that their mission. Then they got married after five years. Then they had my sister. Then they had me. Then they started traveling the world. Then, you know, but my life doesn't look like that. 14:27 I'm in the club. 14:29 Now it's baddies, left, right. You know what I mean? Now it's like, it's a whole bunch of shit that my parents never had to deal with. You know? 14:37 And nothing in my life looks like what my parents' life looked like at that time. 14:42 At their age. You know what I mean? 14:44 The choices you made. 14:45 Sorry? The choices you made. Yeah, the choices I made and the world that we live in now. Because they didn't have social media, right? 14:52 My parents never had to compete with their exes. 14:56 My parents never had to be like, yo, I wonder who she's talking to on WhatsApp, man. 15:03 I wonder who's in the DMs. No, but they'll probably wonder who she's talking to at the kiosk down the road. 15:08 Yeah, but that you had to leave the house, right? There's a lot more effort that went into meeting new people or meeting people back in those days. My parents never drank, never smoked. They were always in the house together. They were on the same shit. Now again... We've got the DMs, we've got the TikToks, we've got the WhatsApps, we've got the clubs. We just live a different life. 15:30 So when does you trust in your partner coming together? 15:33 Yeah, you're right. And I should. But like I said, it's the world that we live in makes me too scared. It's a liability now. And it's a sad thing. I'm not saying it's like, I'm saying it hurts to know that that's where we're at. But that's where we're at. 15:45 So it's like if you're married, you feel like your wife will still be accessible. she will be accessible but just because she's accessible doesn't mean she's allowing them access no you're 100% right and I'm not saying that but it's still just a different landscape than it was that's the problem because you men torture yourselves in your heads because you'll have a loyal woman that's right in front of you that's showing you how much I'm not about that but in your head you will never let go of the fact that there's a man that would disrespect you by trying to get to your wife. And that is what ends up manifesting and actually eating at you. Your fear. 16:15 Your fear of that. And it actually becomes about your ego, not necessarily about the fact that they're trying to break your happy home. It's a, how dare that man try to talk to my wife as me, Techo? Like, how dare that? And that is your own ego that you mustn't get happy me as your wife. You're right. You know what I mean? You're right. 16:31 But I think it goes deeper than that. You're right. And I think that's surface level. And that one, Definitely as a kind of like As a man who's secure within You know what I mean? You should be able to like Maneuver that Because you should trust your partner 100% But now What if your partner Likes going to the club? 16:52 But it'll stop. No, you see. 16:58 I'm tired of the club. I really am so tired of it. 17:01 We had this chat twice in two different years. 17:04 And you are right back in the club. 17:05 Because unfortunately my work is... 17:07 my work I have to like right now we're dropping a project so I'm outside more because I'm dropping a project like I went to Oscar and Bo's event Groovers Escape because I knew there was going to be a lot of media then I did a lot of interviews because I'm talking about an EP I'm going to events you're working yes I'm working I'm dropping the DJ packs to people and I'm like yo Link because a lot of the times like when I just talk to them it doesn't happen but if there's face to face so I kind of have to be in those spaces now but when I'm in those spaces like even last night I was at The Hub And I got so bored. 17:39 I was just like... Because you weren't drinking. I wasn't drinking. I wasn't drinking, yes. But I'm also tired of drinking. So I'm tired of that whole thing. That routine. You know, and that's my thing is that like, now I'm trying to put things in place that allow me to still make an income but not have to be in the club anymore. So I understand the era of me... 17:58 maybe wasn't desirable to be married to at that time because I was always in the club I was always around boys I was always this I was around that but I know the next phase of my life is going to be different that's why I'm saying that it eventually stops especially for women maybe men not so much especially in the industry but I'm talking about people that have day jobs so then how would you handle that if your man was in the club because I have to deal with it just like you where it's my job to be there but then you end up being with women who will now look at you and be like yeah but you go to the club and I'm like okay but listen babe listen 18:27 I work and my net worth and this net worth was made in the club okay I can't just cut that off but I genuinely don't want you to be there and then she turns it into a if you can do it I can do it too and it's like dog but I'm a man and I fear for your safety Especially in South Africa I fear for your safety And they will argue with you about this thing And it's like damn I also don't want to be a controlling man So then maybe I just shouldn't deal with this at all So now you as a female that has to be in the club Because of your work Now what if you're with a normal guy That doesn't have any clear reason to be in the club But he's like no fuck it I like every Friday I like being in the club And it doesn't stop 19:09 I can't be with a normal guy because of those arguments Where you don't understand why I'm in the club as a girl You don't understand why I have to have a conversation with Tseho You don't understand That's why I gravitate more to industry guys Because industry guys get it Like Tos and I will have conversations And I don't ever feel like Where are you? What are you doing? Or like either way around It's never like that because we get the situation So answering your question of like if you're in the club with girls, because it's me, I understand. I'll be able to tell if you're with a girl because of the space you're in or you're with a girl because something's going on with you. 19:41 Because my intuition and my ancestors high level. I don't know if you're trying to play me or not, you know. But for me, also, as a woman, I'm just at the place where I also can't be you 100%. 19:51 If you're in the club. What does that mean? No, no. 19:54 If I'm in a relationship with you, Okay, hear me out. 19:58 Yeah, yeah. It's a good listening. That's me. We're all ears. Hear me out. Okay. Nadia doesn't want any clips. 20:05 And somehow I feel like they'll still find it. But like, I can't be 100% for a man in a relationship. I believe in the 80-20 rule. The 80%... 20:16 is me. I'm your wife, I'm your partner or your life partner, whatever the case is, mother of your kids. But I can't be your 20% too. I can't be the one that's breaking my back in the bedroom. Yes, we're having sex, but like the little things that you like enjoying. But the problem with men is that they'll forget that the 80% is at home and then leave the 80 for 20, thinking the 20 has got an 80 and then you're sitting there with the 20% and you left your 80 at home. So all I'm saying is like for me, I know niggas cheat. 20:44 Where my problem lies. 20:45 I don't know about that, but let it land. Listen. No, I heard you agreeing. 20:49 Wait, because I haven't landed. My thing is that like, I know niggas cheat. My issue is that don't bring it to my doorstep. I must never fucking know. I must never suspect. I must never get a from woman to woman. I don't want to hear it because I know you're gonna do it. Especially the type of niggas that I like. They're cute. Like, they're fine. They got their shit together. So I'm not stupid. I've seen it. I've seen it happen all the time. All I know is that it mustn't come to my doorstep. Once it comes to my doorstep, I'm going to make it shake. It's going to be a problem for you. 21:20 I'm not going to make it easy for you. But I'm not going to be 100%. I'm sorry. That's too much stress on me. And on top of that, guys that have a 20, when they come back to the 80, their treatment's so nice. Oh my God, because the stress has been relieved. I'm not the one that's like, oh my God, you come back and everything is fantastic. So I really do believe in the 80, 20-year-old for successful relationships. That's probably why you don't want to get married. 21:39 So you're saying it's okay that if a guy cheats on you? 21:42 It's not okay, but I know that it happens. I'm not going to be a believer and think like, oh my gosh, you'll never cheat on me because I'm Nadia, I'm the best, I'm the amazing. I know I'm not giving you 100%. It's impossible for me to give you 100% as a woman to a man. So if you do do it, I'll always have a chance in my head that you will cheat on me. But where the problem lies is if you're dumb enough to let it get to my doorstep. 22:04 Hmm. 22:05 Where it becomes my problem. If you have a kid outside our relationship, it's a problem. If I have a call from a woman, it's a problem. If I see it on the socials, it's a problem. That's where it becomes a problem because now you're disrespecting what's going on here and you're making me look like a fool. But I'm not stupid. Guys are going to do that. There's no man I know that's going to be in a relationship and not have cheated at least once in their lives. I'm sorry. In their lives, right? Not every relationship. Not every relationship. Some relationships go perfectly fine. But in their lives... In their lives. 100%. You have to make that clear. 22:36 In their lives. Not every relationship. Some relationships you don't... Let me tell you, also cheating is a feeling, hey? What do you mean? Speak on it. I think I know where she's going. Cheating is a feeling. 22:45 Yeah. 22:45 Some men that don't feel peace at home or... feel that there's stresses at home and they need to find a release that they can't get in the household, sometimes we'll go do that. But if there's peace at home and it's very likely to actually have a place where you're in a peaceful home and everything's finding you happy, there's no reason for a man to go out and cheat. A lot of the time a man is not just cheating because he saw a girl with a fat ass and he loves fat ass unless he's got a sickness and he's like addicted to sex. But a lot of the time men cheat because of a feeling. There's something going on at home. 23:16 There's something going on with a partner. There's a root cause. There's a root cause. Maybe the wife had a kid and she just neglected. And it's easy for women to maybe neglect their man and sometimes not really take care of them of how they did when they wasn't a child in the situation because we are nurturers. 23:29 But that's the 20% you were speaking of. 23:30 No, I'm talking about the 80%. 23:32 Oh, in the 80%, that was still encompassable. 23:34 There's our flaws that happen there. Like, we don't look after you. We don't jump on you and just ride that dick. You know, like those things that used to happen when we were just dating. But I'm still an 80% and that's where the problem is. Like, some men get confused and they forget the 80% because the 80% is missing the 20%. And when you don't have the 20%, it looks like you're missing a lot. A lot. 23:50 I don't think it's just a male issue Women are starting to do that too And I feel like that's And I feel like that's why I'm where I'm at too Because I have the same I've started also to think like that Like as long as I don't find out she's cheating Really? Yeah, because I've been through it, right? I've been through it I've been the crazy shit, right? Yeah, so now I've started becoming Yeah, I've started becoming so real with myself Where I'm like, yo Actually, I should just brace myself for it now. 24:21 Like, it's probably happening. It just hasn't reached my ears. Now I've started to think it's probably happening. I didn't see men doing that. We're not vocal about it. Like, we've also started. Like, girls are not dumb, bro. Like, girls are not dumb. You know what I mean? Like, girls are going to the clubs now. Like I said, girls are out in the streets. 24:38 The thing that I see, somebody else sees it. 24:40 Yeah. Yo, but it goes back to that point that you were trying to make earlier when you said that whatever your worries or whatever your fear is, whatever you feed energetically, that's what you're manifesting. 24:50 Yeah. 24:52 100%. That's why we're all fucked up here. You're the only... This guy's divorced and he's still... I'm not fucked up. You know, we're all fucked up. You don't want to get married. I don't want to get married. I think that's a good life choice. You don't want to get married. 25:02 We are fucked up. That's not fucked up because marriage is not the goal. He's been divorced and he still wants it. You still want marriage? Yeah. And I believe that it's a good thing. Yeah. 100% because marriage is one, not the prize, but marriage is also not a demon. Like, When you find it with the right person, it can be the most beautiful thing you could ever experience. And a lot of us would love to be there with the right person. Like I would love to have that one day. It's a possibility. You know, it's a possibility. I'm always open to love. Oh, so you're open to marriage? No, I'm like, I'm open to finding the right person to be married to. Yeah. 25:30 Yeah. So it's a thing that you were saying. 25:33 Which could change my perspective in being open to marriage. Okay, there we go. Marriage is not the thing. I'm saying the person. So you're like me. 25:39 So if I find someone that puts me in the zone. It doesn't focus on a marriage. Like I said, my number one would be if you never stress the marriage, I'm going to want to give you. If I'm like, yo, you never said, yo, for us to be complete, I need you to put this ring on. I might just want. And I had this conversation with you. I said, Nadia, one day you're going to be so in love with a guy. 25:57 Yeah. 25:57 that you're going to wake up in the morning and look at his face and your hormones are just going to be like, I need to give him a child. 26:03 He deserves my child. 26:05 That's going to be your hormones. Because you love him so much. It's going to come when you find that guy. Before we get too far, though. 26:12 Can we introduce the show, please? Yes, of course. Before we get into the hot topics, guys, welcome to another episode of All The Smoke. 26:20 Hey, man, it's taking my job. Welcome to the show where the hosts are the goats, where words get spoke, foot meets throat, and chokes... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 26:30 It's called the Techo Show Let's go baby Yeah My name is And my co-host's name is Hey man you know Keep it very simple Techo And for the people that don't know who you guys are Please just introduce yourselves 26:47 Ladies first. Go for it, mom. Hey, guys. My name is Nadia Nakai, aka Braga. I'm a musician, entrepreneur, reality TV star, and love a girl. I don't know which camera to look at. Boss Bitch, too. That one, probably. There's a lot of cameras here. It's like you're shooting Netflix. Big production. It's crazy. 27:07 It's too much. Hey, come with us. I didn't know about it. I put a lot of things. Hey, hey. Hey, hey. 27:16 Hey, you guys are dropping a project tonight, right? Well, when you guys see this, it'll be on a Friday. Yeah, 100%. How did that come about? 27:26 Should I say? 27:26 Yeah, tell us the truth, please. How do you tell us the truth? You think she would lie? 27:30 No, I'm looking at you, nigga. You tell us the truth. 27:34 We want you to tell us the truth. I'm going to tell you the truth, my brother. 27:39 So me, I'm going to summarize it. I was just chilling throughout the day. 27:43 It was a Sunday. 27:44 I'm just minding my business. 27:48 So I'm chilling. I get a call from Braga, right? And she's like, yo, we just made a song here. And I think, like, we could go all the way in, like, trying to make something, like, happen, like a body of work. You know, because Reason had suggested it to her, right? 28:04 Oh, shout out. Yeah. 28:07 So she called me and said, yo, don't you think, like, we should do it? I said... 28:10 I don't see a problem. 28:12 You dope, I'm dope. Go crazy, you know? So I was like, yeah, let's go. And then we did it. 28:18 You know what I love about it? Because I heard you played me some of the music. And I love the mixture between the worlds. But for you, Doss, I'm interested in seeing how people are going to react. 28:32 Mm-hmm. 28:33 to this side of you. Because personally, I haven't, I haven't, maybe I don't know your catalog like that, but for me, when I think about you, I think about piano. Straight up, yeah. Like, you know, winding hips, straight off, like, you know what I mean? 28:47 Magic mic shit, you know? You know what I mean? 28:50 But I feel like this is so dope for an artist like yourself who's known for what you do to kind of go more into Braga's world. You know, when I hear it, I feel like you're coming more into like, He's always been a rapper. He's always been a rapper. But it's the soundbed. Yeah, but he's always been a rapper. He's always been a rapper. But the soundbed, you know, it's nothing like I've ever heard you on, you know? How do you think your counterparts are going to take that? Like your fans, your core. 29:20 I think like... They want to be happy about it. They want to be proud. Because like, a lot of them, like I was talking to... 29:30 He was saying to me, I've always known you this dope, right? I cannot wait for the country to experience how dope you are. 29:37 The world, brother, not just the country. Come on now, put it out there. The world, come on. 29:43 So like he was saying to me, like, I cannot wait for them to experience you like that because I've always known you're that person. 29:49 so I think like everybody that hasn't heard me like that they're gonna be proud about it and it's so rare for an Amapiano artist to do that like we don't have too many examples of an Amapiano artist trying like a new genre we have it the other way around where it's like you're a hip-hop artist or R&B artist trying the Amapiano thing so I think first of all you're brave for doing it but it's the type of bravery that is commendable and needed 30:16 Shut up. 30:16 You don't? Yeah, I've heard the music. I think it's really fucking dope. Nadia, you... There's even a song Nadia played and I was like, Nadia, you smoked him. 30:26 What song is it? I think it was Bentini. What? Was it the hip-hop one? Yeah. Bentini. 30:30 Yeah, yeah. She smoked you. She smoked you. I wouldn't take that if I were you. 30:37 I wouldn't take that. 30:38 I was like, yeah, Nadia, you smoked him. 30:42 But you know what it is? 30:44 That's the only hip-hop song that's like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's a hip-hop song. But I feel like the way that Dos was on the other songs, it was just so crazy good. Like even the snippet that we posted with Blind, like the comments, everyone was just like, I can't believe how good this is because it's a Tamiya sample. Also, the song is very melodic and Kosazana is on the chorus. And then the way Dos is just riding that beat is like... So it's like, the other songs, the hip-hop one, you obviously always think who killed who. But the other songs, I feel like he outshone me... By like, you know, like it's just and it's also not a genre that he's normally used to being on, but he fit in it so well, you know, and everyone's just like, oh, are you guys doing hip hop? 31:23 Are you guys doing piano? And I'm like, it's neither. It's neither. It's really neither. It's like musical music for musical people. And I think like the other songs is just like, I can't even explain it, but I feel like it's just amazing. 31:35 But that's why I feel like he was brave. Because on a hip hop song, that's the first thing people are going to do. They're going to be like, oh, who killed who, but he's still willing to jump on a trap hip hop, you know what I mean? And do his thing, you know what I mean? And knowing that the country doesn't know him as a hip hop artist, but he's a musician at the end of the day. 31:51 But I picked up that he was brave when he jumped on that song with KO. Oh yeah. You were rapping on that joint too. 31:59 I was pissed off. 32:00 Yeah! For what? I was pissed off. 32:03 You're making a point. I was really pissed off, bro. For what? I was ready to tell anybody anything. Anyone that wanted to smoke. That's hip-hop culture. I was really up to that. 32:11 Was there something happening in your life? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was happening in your life at the time? 32:15 Hey, dog. Like, 2023, I just came up, came back from a peak year, right? 2022, Mlando just dropped my back-to-back hit, right? And then comes 2023, I'm supposed to drop a project. 32:29 And... 32:31 People kept songs from me, bro. 32:34 You get what I mean? I experienced that side. They didn't give you the songs. Yeah, you recorded it. 32:40 And that's another Amapiano thing. That's very Amapiano. 32:43 You don't really deal with a lot of that, you know? So that was a thing. Who kept your song? 32:48 Who kept your song? Come on. Poloso, tell us. So I'm guessing these are producers that kept the songs. Or is it other artists? Some artists. That you agreed that I'm going to take this song for my project. 33:03 And then time goes on. 33:05 Yeah, I didn't get anything. 33:08 I was pissed off. I was really pissed. You were making a point. I had so many opportunities to go harder. 33:15 I couldn't because I didn't have the music. I didn't have a studio to go to. 33:20 So I had to, yeah. 33:21 That's another thing. 33:22 Whoever did that to my baby, I hate y'all. 33:25 Fuck y'all. 33:26 Like, I feel so bad right now. I'm actually so upset with the person. 33:29 You need to tell me another story. You've never shared this with her? 33:33 No. 33:34 You guys need to have people conversation. You said my baby. 33:36 You said my baby. Are you guys a thing? You need to listen to the EP. Hold on. 33:46 I like the fact that you just brought that up, right? Because I've always had a gripe with, especially I'm a piano artist. Don't you feel like I'm a piano artist are not investing enough into their own studio spaces? 33:58 Like I see a lot of drip. I see a lot of other things, but I see a lot of artists working from a lot of other people's spaces. Why do you think that is... And how do we change it? 34:10 Yeah, I'm glad you asked that question. That's a good question, bro. Because like, most of us come from the hood, bro. You can't take that away. 34:18 There's less information on that side. 34:21 There's limited places where you can get info about anything. 34:26 I didn't even get to be in the studio until I moved to the VAL. There's no studio, it's a garnish. So how would I know when I get here, I need to get a studio. So even like to a lot of things, to realities, to having, I'm a PR to when you drop a project, you need a PR, you need to go to interviews. They don't know none of that. We don't know none of that. 34:51 That I can let slide. Yeah. I can't let that slide. But I can't let the studio slide. The business stuff, 100%, I get it. But a lot of us, like me, I didn't have the information. I sought it, right? There was no one that I could look around me as an example of... Like what I wanted to be. No, no, no. 35:13 When you were Shag the Gorilla, like when I was in varsity, you were always making music. But that's what I'm saying. 35:18 So what I'm saying is that bug bit me when I was 14 years old. So when I was 14 years old, I didn't have the people around me. My parents couldn't guide me. I had to jump on the internet. I had to say, yo, I want to do this thing. But to your point, when a lot of you guys arrive, like let's say you guys come from where you come from. You didn't have a lot of opportunities, but now you're a star. now you've got your first hit record when i got my first hit record you know what flame it bit me i need to have my own space and i need to be comfortable so i can keep turning these records out you get what i'm saying i didn't automatically think like i need to buy a bus i need to buy all this shit but then what about the thing that actually brought you here which is the music you get what i'm saying so i don't know if an information thing is going to cure that I think it's more like a mentorship. 36:03 Like a you, like a pori, like a kabza. I think it starts at the top levels for them to speak about. Like, gents, gents, get the studios. Like, you don't have to go and visit Mangman's what, what, what. And then now you're talking about splits because it's his studio. Now you need to give up half the master. You know what I'm saying? So I can excuse the where you're from, but when you look in the mirror, what do you want? Do you want to be able to wake up every day and record whatever you want to record? Then get the studio. You know what I mean? The thing is, 36:32 Another thing is we... As you said, you get your first hit record. Where did you get it from? 36:39 You get what I mean? I got it from myself, yeah. Exactly. 36:43 You got it from yourself. That other girl from the hood got it from someone. Recording with somebody. And that somebody says, Antwana, relax her. Be comfortable here. That's not something I'm going to think about, like getting my own studio. So that's what drives away like the hunger to get your own studio. Because now you're comfortable, like you have somebody that you trust. And that somebody beats... 37:21 And then that's when things go wrong I've got a question that follows that Are you guys as my piano artists Are you being groomed Are you guys because I mean What do you mean groomed Sounds like some diddy shit Are you being swallowed Are you being groomed in the sense that If I'm a BU and I have a studio And I have a set up I've thought of this before And I listen to kids in choir, go to churches, you know, I'm going to church, listen to this kid, call this kid, and I bring him here. 37:51 I know that he has limited information, but also belief in himself to be able to do it at the level that I am. Are you guys being groomed in a sense where when you go to that studio, even when you get that information, you don't believe you could do it at that level of the khutman that's actually putting you on? 38:09 Am I understanding the question? 38:10 So basically he's asking, inadvertently, don't you guys think that you guys are being stunted? 38:15 Like, the people, like the studios that you go visit. Don't you think, like, they are purposely stunting your growth so they can control the output and control, like, you know? So, and being indoctrinated, basically, into thinking that, yeah, this is all I need. And then this is, you know? 38:33 Oh, yeah, I do get that. Like, focus on the carrots, and then they hide the business side of it. Yeah, it happens. They dangle that carrot, yeah. 38:39 Yeah, it happens. Damn, it happens. Um... 38:45 I mean... So were you groomed? No. I escaped it through Umlandu, through Mtova actually. I escaped like... That's fire. A lot of things through that guy. Shout out to him, man. Yeah, Mtova brought me in and said, yo, Ntoana, you dope. 39:01 I think you can have something like crazy happening with you. And he said, here's a studio. 39:07 Do whatever. Be free. I'm not going to sign you. I'm not going to understand. He said, Ntoana, like, be you. Shout out. He said what? 39:14 Be you. 39:18 Every time. 39:21 See, when it's the BU show, we don't mind. Why have you guys been fighting lately? 39:25 I've been seeing so many of you guys. No, he fights with me. He fights with me. 39:29 Oh, but you fry him and then he fries you back. I don't fry him. And I tell him all the time, look, do you think, nigga? 39:34 He's like, whoa, whoa, relax. 39:35 I was just like, what's happening here? 39:38 No, no, no. Brotherly love. But it's awkward for him. But it's awkward for him. It's Riley and Huey. They're always fighting. Oh, okay. 39:45 That makes sense. He is Riley. 39:47 Yeah, he is Riley. 39:48 But now there's times where he tries to be Riley and can't be Riley. 39:51 I can't be Riley. 39:52 Be yourself. Be you. Be you. Be you. You know what I mean? You know? 39:56 Okay, I get it. Ah, don't. 40:03 I'll put you on, no worries. I'll put you on, my nigga. 40:05 No, but you know, but you know exactly what we were talking about. You know what I'm saying? 40:11 But that's all that you need. 40:13 At least you know the pop culture reference. You know what I mean? 40:16 That's all that matters. That's all that matters. 40:19 You know, but I mean, yeah, yeah. 40:32 I mean, listen, I think that's the one thing that's been breaking my heart when it comes to the Amma Piano community. where I feel like not enough people put enough people on to the real knowledge of how you do these things. You get what I'm saying? I had to learn it myself. I had to learn it myself too. And granted, thank God I had people like Ricky, Cass, T. Lee, all the people where I could watch closely. Thank God. You know what I mean? Thank God. But I feel like the people, the artists in Amabiana have the same... 41:02 access even more access now you guys have more celebrity managers than we ever had in hip-hop and you guys are close to these people but still for some reason i'm not seeing the shift in like yo i want to be like pori let me look at his life and then start working towards that okay he's got a studio he's got other artists in his studio maybe i should open my own studio and get my niggas to come and start recording i'm not seeing enough of that you know what i mean 41:25 I see well with Durbin Gogo I feel like she does that because she I think even got a house for a lot of like producers and stuff and she's created her own little situation there as well so I see that with like Gogo and I feel like Gogo is coming after Pory you know I'm not saying that she's learning from the school of Pory I don't know where she's getting inspiration from she has her own thing but I know for a fact that she's doing the same thing and as a woman it's very inspiring for me to watch her do that 100% I think though we are putting a lot of pressure on my piano because it's kind of a new genre I mean hip hop 41:54 I don't think we're putting enough. I don't think we're putting enough, though. Maybe there's a healthy amount of pressure that's needed for it to grow the way, especially because internationally, everyone's looking at it, right? But when I look at the hip-hop space for Etero to exist, they had to be above my banner, my nigga. Yeah. You know what I mean? And who's there above my banner now? 42:12 So let it get to that level. We will get there. We can apply some level of pressure. 42:16 I think that's like soft parenting. You know? I think that's a version of soft parenting which keeps people... 42:22 down where they are when you make excuses for why they're not where they should be you know what i mean you have the the information you can look at the history of hip-hop you can look at the history of rock and roll you can look at the history of pop in any society and then you can take lessons and do what you have to do no so i'm not talking i saw i saw i'm now i'm talking about now you've arrived in the industry i'm talking about now you've arrived you you got your first hit good question 42:49 you've got your first hit you're doing gigs now you are close to prominent people you know I'm talking about those people like I don't see enough Amapiana artists investing in like their sound but you're not factoring in the fact that a person who comes from that and has just landed their hit and now has a proximity there's also this drug called fame and that thing lives in DC you're not thinking of the cause of that drug you don't get mentored a lot you know everybody Amapiana believes everybody's doing well 43:19 Talk about it. 43:22 That's true. Everybody is just like, yeah, he's gigging, he's gigging, it must be sharp. That's the chat. Everybody believes everybody's okay. So there's nobody that's coming out there and saying, and let me show you how to do it better. There's no one that's doing that. There's no Ricky Rick. Because Ricky had it in hip hop. 43:48 But there's a Pori. There's a Gabza. And the thing is, I'm not saying that Pori and Gabza are responsible for everyone. Because they can't do it alone. They can't do it alone. But they already have their camps. Yeah, 100%. So they're doing their part. Yeah, they're doing their part. I get it. But guys, I don't know if you know that the internet exists. And I'm talking about as a person who has arrived now. the internet raised me I'm not gonna lie the internet I used to steal my mom's phone and go hide and google what shit now you don't have to do that you have a right you have a right you know what I mean and this is a time when I didn't have a phone you know all my friends had phones I didn't have a phone I had to go steal my mom's phone You know what I mean? 44:24 But I still wanted it so much that I would go steal my mom's phone and risk her beating my ass, dog. Beating my ass because I wanted to figure out, like, yo, how do I start this thing? Like, where do I go? Where in South Africa can I go for, like, music production? 44:37 Yeah, but you see, that thing is also coming from a place of privilege. Yeah. So remember what I'm saying. That's for you because of where you grew up and how you came. And access, the whole American thing. But guys, remember what I'm saying. This is not a kid. 44:49 I'm not talking about the kids anymore. 44:51 No, but even when they have their first hit, that's what I'm saying. 44:54 So now when you've had your first hit, guys, we don't feel sorry for you. That's what I'm saying. When you have your first hit... We cannot now feel sorry for you. We have to now sit back and be like, yo, best of luck. You have the information that when Doss had his first hit, you were in the same position as Doss. So now the road is open. Doss made decisions that got him here. You can make decisions that get you... somewhere else no one is no one's responsibility because the information is there if you want it like you can literally go and ask your friend please borrow me your phone let me jump on you know what I'm saying my thing is that it's not just on the internet what I'm saying to you is that a lot of these hood guys especially in the piano industry they'll have a hit song 45:35 But it doesn't necessarily mean that they submitted to radio. 45:37 I agree. 45:38 Listen, it doesn't necessarily mean that they filled metasheets or they got ISS, ICCR, whatever codes, or they got published and they got signed to a label. A lot of the time that, especially because internet has become a thing of like how things go off on social media and TikTok and whatever, a lot of these stations actually just got the song. and they played it because it was too much of a hit on the internet they had to stay on par it's not like us back then we wanted to be on rams we had to submit there were things to learn from so when they're sitting with a hit some of them actually don't know how it happened so they can't even look for the information where they don't even know how did this actually become a hit like it was a dope song that I made in the back room in the cupboard studio and it just took off I was dancing on TikTok it took off then all of a sudden it blew up so to start finding that trail record of how do I do this and who do I speak to 46:25 It's difficult because Obviously the snakes are going to come And I'm just to clear this up I'm not saying that what you're saying is untrue What I'm saying But I'm saying it's not answered by getting a phone and checking on the internet Yeah 100% Because if you don't know what to say you're not going to find 100% But my point When I say that my point is this My point is No one is going to come and tell you Dona wake up Do this. You know what I mean? 46:51 A lot of us sitting here dreamt a lot of these things by ourselves. Self-made. I get you. And got ourselves to a lot of the points where we got to by ourselves. So wherever you are, just know that 10 years later, there's no excuses you can make. Because we started at different levels. That is a fact. Thorst grew up where he grew up. Biu grew up where he grew up. I grew up where I grew up. Nadia grew up where she grew up. But Nadia also worked perfectly. 47:17 fucking hard and there were situations where Nadia used to take taxis and Nadia had to go and borrow you were telling me that you had to take credit to make sure Wonga loans to go and make studio so you can't teach that that's what I'm saying you cannot teach that hunger so be hungry and then make sure your hunger actually goes to somewhere where you can see it tomorrow Like a studio Like instead of Instead of Timberlands Because Dos has Timberlands Maybe spend that On some speakers And then upgrade Those speakers When you know Instead of the Gucci Instead of looking at Pori And say yo I want to look like Pori Think about what Pori looked like 20 years ago It's that day dog You know That's what I'm saying And that's a bar That you're dropping 47:59 That's a bar, but it's almost like you're saying, don't get caught up in the smoke and mirrors. Yes. Look what happens behind the curtain. And I've been listening to you throughout, ever since we started. Your school of thoughts is from a perspective of no one's going to save you. That's your school of thought. Nobody's coming in. But then where our guests usually come from, they come from a perspective of the reality of things. And what you're saying is tap into a reality that doesn't exist and fight for that shit to bring that to reality because that's what we have to do. So I think that's where the discussion is kind of balancing. 48:30 Because when he speaks about Ekurulin, right? If we look at the place, what's it trending for right now? 48:34 Ooh. What's the trending for right now? The East now? Yeah, the East. 48:37 Are we on five or six bodies now? Six bodies. Six bodies. Six bodies that went missing. I don't know. By the time this drops, it might be more. So, I mean, that's something I would like to talk to. The reality of a person, a girl, child, who's a rapper, who's sitting there at home, who's watching all the smoke, and they're scared to go out. What are they going to be putting down on pen and paper? What's their perspective? What's their mindset? Am I making sense to you? Yeah, 100%. 48:58 But I think we can definitely shift the conversation all the way to that. Yeah, yeah. And what's happening. Do we have a clip for it? 49:07 Do we have a clip for it? Just radiate and then we'll play it. As a person that's from there, how do you feel about that? 49:12 It's messed up, bro. The hood. It's messed up. Yeah. Like the hood is messed up, especially what's happening right now at Captain Park. I was telling Nadia the other time, where we come from, it's not nice. 49:27 It's not nice. Like you can wake up to a dead body in the street any day. You get what I mean? Any day. You don't know which day or what. Like, when is it free? When is it okay? And it's normal now. 49:40 We desensitize. 49:43 I was even telling him, I was like, please just stop going to the hood. Like, I know you're a hood nigga, but please just stop going because... Please, just look after yourself. People can be jealous. Like, now you've got a new car and you're up and then you go home and you just want to act like, like, not act, but like you want to be like, I'm still attached to the people. But then some people are jealous of you and then they poison your food or something. I'm just like... 50:05 It gets that deep. When I get you, it gets that deep. 50:08 Like I told you, it's two different worlds. I'm not from the hood, but like I just, my mind runs and I'm just like, don't go. 50:15 Just don't go there. You're saying poison, right? But it can also be like the intention behind a handshake. Yeah. It can be, some people would be mood. Even energy. Yeah. Some people would say mood. It could be like, yeah. Yes. Yes, 100%. 50:28 I'm just like, just press the brakes. I'm going there all the time. 50:34 But I will say it's not that bad in South Africa for celebrities in the hood. 50:38 No, it's not celebrities. It'll be someone you grew up with. 50:42 Because he's just become... It's not a celebrity thing. Oh, so you're saying someone goes to him easily. That's still in the hood that you left behind. Yeah, that's a real... 50:50 Sometimes it's family. It's family. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I'm not worried about the hood. The hood. Yeah, I'm not worried about the hood. 50:56 What are you worried? You're not worried at all. 50:58 The snakes in the grass. Exactly. People that you wouldn't expect to do. That's what I'm worried about. But the hood... The hood, I'm not worried about. I can walk anywhere. David to Israel. I can walk anywhere. 51:09 I know, but I'll just get worried. 51:12 I understand. Nadia, I'd like to send a message to you and to all the females that are watching this. Oh, we got it ready now? Hold on before we play it. Nadia and to all the females that are watching, I can't speak for every South African man, but I'd like to sincerely and deeply apologize. I don't think the state that we're living in as a country, they say it's a war zone. That men are... 51:32 you know, against women in a big way. And I can't, I don't, I personally don't know anyone personally that's done it, but I'm sure there's somebody there, you know, maybe they haven't, they've said it in joking and I didn't pick up the nuance or whatever, but I feel like a killer or something, you know, that contributes to the status quo, you know, so I'd like to apologize from the perspective of every man in South Africa. 51:54 To be honest with you, I appreciate that. But I also feel like it's not your responsibility to apologize on evil people. I think the state of the government and the police and the stakeholders that are supposed to protect not just women, but everybody in South Africa. Yeah. from kids to there's a lot of men that have been dying. There's like, when I heard about Sonso, the runner, I was just, I couldn't believe it because the eight-year-old daughter is the one that raised the alarms and now she's gone for just doing something so innocently of just running on the streets. 52:27 But... 52:28 I just feel like the state of the country is bigger. Yes, I understand the conversations with men that you have with each other. But I can tell you in my heart, I don't know if you having a conversation with a killer is going to make them not kill. You know, it's from the root. Like what's happening with our male kids from... 52:46 Like what is creating and breeding these men that feel like it's so okay to just kill a woman and do all these things and rape a woman and abuse a woman. And that's like a psychological problem. And that is from the institutions, it's from the schools, it's from the societies that they're in. the people that they're around, it's what they're consuming. That's what we need to figure out what's going on in South Africa as a country because people say that we're still suffering from trauma of apartheid. We're still suffering from that 100%. But I don't know if those traumas are used as an excuse for the black man to be doing this to the black woman. 53:25 And they always say that... 53:28 the bottom of the pyramid is a black woman there's like the bottom the person the human being that's treated the worst is the black woman because if you see how white men will protect a white woman even if they don't know that woman if someone is frying a white woman at a checker's All the white people, if they don't, they will go and defend that woman. But as a black woman, we're still dealing with racial inequalities. And then we're also dealing with our own men trying to kill us and hurt us. So I appreciate the apology, but I feel like your apology is not going to do anything. 54:00 And I think as long as what you're doing in your household and your community matters, but your apology doesn't alleviate anything for me. It doesn't make me feel great. That's why I feel like I don't even need it from you because you're not the one that's actually doing this to women. And I feel like the people that can really make a... Like when Women for Change did the whole march and for me, I watched it and I supported it, but I felt like... 54:23 Whatever happens, I'm not going to be able to see the benefits of that march in my generation. Because whatever they're doing right now, which is sad. It's so sad. But it's true. It's so true. Because you go there and you give them the petition. Everything that could change will be for our kids and our grandkids. And yes, it's great to do that for. But I know for myself, I'm still probably going to be living in fear for the rest of my life. You know, that's not going to change because of the generation before me and the things that they didn't necessarily fight for for the life that I live in now. But when I'm watching, I'm like, oh, I really hope that we can fight for a future South Africa. 54:56 But I would love for the South Africa we live in right now to be different and be safer for women to be able to just go for a run during the day. 55:03 I've been seeing social media posts where people are literally saying, Like, going to the gym. Okay, let me wear a jacket so I don't... Yeah, I've been seeing a lot of those. 55:15 That trend has been going on. And it's so reflective of the states that we're in. Because there's actually nothing you can do. 55:23 There's nothing. There's actually nothing. You can be fully dressed. You can be like, there's nothing. 55:27 A demon. 100%. There's nothing. There's pastors that were molesting kids. If someone has the intent to do something. Of that evilness. Yeah, it is what it is. There's nothing we can do as women. 55:38 Can we play this video? And then, yeah, and then we'll kind of dissect it. 55:44 600 million rands. 55:46 There we go. 55:48 600 million rands. 55:49 Ensure that no xenophobia happens on the 30th of June, 2026. 55:58 Patrols biffed up security. The military was out there to ensure... 56:04 that you protect migrants, immigrants, illegal or legal. 56:09 No xenophobia is going to happen here. 56:12 More than 5,500 women died, women walked, protested, profile pictures changed, purple, purple. 56:20 You can't spend six million rands to protect women, to beef up security, to make sure that you make more patrols, hire more people to protect women. 56:33 Make more laws to deter people from committing crime against women and children. 56:42 Who is your priority? 56:45 Can I read a comment From the same video That I loved This girl She says All I'm saying is Women shouldn't vote this year Because how sure are we That we will return to our houses on that day I get it, we are not safe I'm sure this country can run smoothly Without us women voting Because if the government really cares about women Then something could have been done by now Clearly our existence does not matter And I agree with her. And I've been saying this. 57:17 Niggas is just voting for the reason for the just voting. But what is your vote actually doing for you? 57:22 How do you feel about what he said about you guys can spend 600 million on March to March to make sure that, you know, there's no xenophobia, but to make sure there's no GBV, you can't spend the same amount. 57:34 To be honest, I might be incorrect, but I feel like with the xenophobia conversation, it affected more than South Africa because other foreign nationals were involved. The Ghanaians, the Malawans. So I think for them, they wanted to predict that there's no xenophobic attacks that are going to happen because when they're having those African meetings, it's a world issue. Whereas when it comes to GBV, it's a South African issue. And I feel like a lot of these very powerful people... 58:05 it's really like protecting their image on a global stage. And the xenophobic conversation became a global conversation. But a GBP conversation is an internal problem. It's an internal thing. And I think the only way that it's probably going to change is if it becomes a global conversation and say, guys, the women are dying there. 58:23 But I don't know. It's scary still because at the end of the day, a part of me also says the migrants' conversation is because migrants were men and women. 58:32 When it's just women, do they really care about us? That's a good fucking point. 58:36 You know what I mean? You're a thinker. I'm a thinker. That's a good point. That's a good point. 58:40 That's a good point. That's a good point. 58:42 And that's why me and Nadia argue a lot. 58:45 Because we're both thinkers. We argue a lot. Yo, argue, yo. 58:49 Be careful on myself. 58:49 We'll argue. 58:52 I got mine. You're right. You're so fucking right. But, but, yo, listen, listen. My suggestion is, ladies, stay at home. 59:02 No, but honestly, I really, I really do something. Do something so drastic that someone has to do something. Don't go, don't vote because you're not safe on the streets, dog. How, as a woman, are you going to stand in that line all day to have to worry about your commute back home? Don't go vote. 59:17 I don't know. You know why I feel like the not voting conversation can also be problematic in its own sense? Because I know like a lot of communities when they're upset with their governance or whatever's happening in the city, they burn down the schools. The same school you need to uplift your community. So it's like if you don't vote, is it really helping your situation in the country or is it actually... taking away because it's a right that as women we've been fighting for for the right to vote and the equality level and to take ourselves 10 steps back when we're the victims you know like I don't know about the not voting I get very confused and I agree with you that would make an impact though yes that would make an impact that would force them to make a change now it becomes a world impact 59:54 I feel like also women are more than us. It's gonna become a problem. 60:00 It's gonna become embarrassing for our president that no woman stepped out of their house in South Africa to go and vote. Now the world is looking. Just like those planes flew over the stadium and the world started chiming in. 60:14 Let every woman stay home so the world can chime in and say for the world conversation. 60:19 And I agree with that. Earlier on, you said on a global scale. And if I think back to when South Africa did that again was to abolish apartheid. And that worked so well. I don't think burning the tires, I don't know what it would take. It would need to be some sort of a think tank or something that gets formed for it to be strategic enough for it to have that ripple. And my then question becomes, what are we as the creatives, the artists, how are we addressing these things? 60:50 Are we still making music about popping bottles and champagne just because we want the money? Or are we actually speaking to the same thing that we want changed? 60:59 I feel like a lot of pressure being put on musicians is actually quite unfair because we're not the problem. We're not the voice of the country. We cater to a certain demographic and we cater to like a club space. And yes, you'd love us to continue like speaking, but we're not politicians. And sometimes it's so difficult to be able to talk about country issues as an artist because one, you might actually not even have all the information. Yeah. correctly you don't want to put yourself in a place that actually puts you in danger because a lot of things are very scary of like I saw this video of this I forgot his name but he's a colored guy they went to the police station and said these women are dying and he was like the short guy the shortish yeah I forgot his name but he's an activist he does a lot of these yeah yeah he does a lot of these And he's like, you guys are not doing anything. 61:38 You should be on the streets. And then they started laughing and he came back. He's like, you want to laugh on my face? And when I watched that, I just got scared for his life. I just was just like, I understand what you're doing, but I'm scared they're going to kill you. You know what I mean? Because like, it's the country we live in that it's so easy. 61:51 They're not going to kill him. He's been doing that shit. But I get where you're coming from. The first This thing is like, yo, my nigga, these police are going to do something. They can do something to you. 62:00 That's where we come from. 62:01 And in South Africa, it's so easy to just pay someone this amount and they're out. So when I see that, I'm like, oh my gosh, it's so amazing to see him do this. But it's scary because we're not like the States with the, what's it, is it the Third Amendment or the First Amendment? The Freedom of Speech. 62:15 Yeah, the First Amendment Bill. It's the First Amendment Bill. Gun, whatever. 62:21 gun ownership or whatever it is. Third or first, whatever, correct me in the comments, but like freedom of speech is not the same in South Africa, in Africa, actually. It's really not the same because let me tell you, there was a time in Zimbabwe where you couldn't talk about the president. Like people were very scared about talking over the phone. No, my grandmother tells me all the time because every time I used to call my grand, she's like, ah, we're black, what's going on? She's like, ah, ah. 62:41 You can't talk about it. Don't say that. 62:43 Don't say that. They're tapping our phones. Yes. Tapping our phones. Yes. There's some countries where it is by law where you need the president's picture in every institution, every hotel, every restaurant. That's a form of propaganda. Yeah. And you can tell when you go to those kind of countries. You can tell. It's there. And you do not talk badly about the president. And guys, let's be so grateful because we're in a country that we're allowed to call the president cupcake. That's crazy. As an African country, Yes, we have our issues. 63:14 And I'm not saying that we don't. And the fact that we can do the marches and stuff, but there's a lot of African countries that don't have that freedom of speech, don't have that liberty to be able to even say anything against the president because it's over-kadovas for you. Whereas in South Africa... Over-kadovas. Over-kadovas. 63:27 I mean, you can't even be gay in some African countries. 63:30 You can't even be gay. You can't have gay marriages. So I'm saying, guys, yes, we have all these problems. Every country has its problems. 100%, but it can't be with the musicians. It can't be with you apologizing to me. Where are we supposed to go with, actually, action can change for my kids, because I know there's a chance it won't change for me. How am I going to be able to change for my children? 63:53 What's his name? Gaten? What is he? 63:54 Arts and culture? 63:59 The fact that you know that is crazy. 64:01 Sports, arts, and culture. Bro, the reason why I don't know is these niggas do nothing for me. He's trying to be famous so badly. He wants to be everywhere. 64:08 They can all fuck off. 64:09 Like, for real. They can all fuck off. 64:10 So now I'm scared you might die. 64:12 Listen, I'm one of them niggas, bro. 64:14 I might be. I'm one of them niggas. But I keep telling everyone, dog, if I die tomorrow, don't feel sorry for me, bro. I lived a very wild life. I don't like that chat. Can we move on from that, please? Yeah, let's change that. 64:25 You hear what I'm saying? Rebuke your name, Jesus. No, wait, wait. Let me finish what I was saying. 64:31 How do you feel about the fact that we're artists and a person like Gaten should be looking out for artists first and sportsmen first and culture first. 64:41 And when you look at our country, it's undeniable that there is a disproportionate amount of... Distribution of fans. 64:51 Especially for the arts, culture and sports So hectic, right? 64:57 But now he's at Jay-Z's show As artists, if we can have those direct conversations Where change can actually happen For my kids, because I don't think it'll happen for me That is fine But you can't assume it to make a song That's not going to matter In the grand scheme of changing Femicide in the country Not a song, but the fact that you're talking about it Some people have never heard you This doesn't matter. 65:16 And that's what I'm hearing now. That's what my issue is. Because it's not directly to the people that change. 65:20 Directly to where the change can happen. 65:21 And maybe you didn't hear what Nadia said in the beginning. The first thing she said is it's not the artist's responsibility. I heard that part. I just didn't hear. And that's where it ends. It's not our responsibility. But of course, it's nice when we want to speak out and be a part of it. It's nice. It's 100% nice. But it also becomes tricky when you choose a side. And you... decide to become vocal about one thing then it's like people expect you to be vocal about that thing too and then that thing and then when you start accepting gigs from EFF for MK then they want to chime in so it's like now you have to choose as an artist do you protect your bag and your brand or do you die on a sword? 66:00 Yeah, that's why I say like it's good to talk and vocalize, but to the right people. So I don't know. 66:05 I don't know. 66:06 But I also feel like I've had this conversation about this because it's so scary because I don't even know the figures and I don't want to say that with the figures because they might be incorrect. But I know in the thespian sector, a lot of budgets have been cut. When Showmax shut down, when all those channels on DSTV shut down, all these places that housed our local talented shows no longer have a place to go. Unless it's the SABC channels, 100%, but SABC doesn't pay that well. They don't pay those type of numbers that these streaming platforms did. Showmax was a very good platform that had so many local productions that sat there. 66:41 That is gone. Getting your local productions on a Netflix is such a hard thing to do unless it's a Netflix production that they've created. To get something that you've created as a South African production company like Red Pepper or Urban Brew, it's so hard. So now it's either now you have to settle now for the peanuts. The thespians are suffering as the actors to get paid more unless you're on a platform like Netflix. the budget has been cut so now what are we supposed to do because our stories are what matters but we don't have a place to put our stories and i'm a musician but i'm looking at the acting storytelling and i'm like oh my gosh it's so amazing it's such an amazing project it's so great and there's so many other things that we can do south africans telling our stories on platforms like this but now the budget's been cut and now all these amazing platforms that allowed us to put our things on are gone The stations are gone. 67:31 Comedy Central had amazing roast things. They had a whole bunch of really cool stuff. Yes, it was adaptations from America, but we love seeing adaptations with our own people. Yeah, yeah, that's good. The roast of Mini Lamini was amazing. Kanye was amazing. Pearl Tusi was dope. Kenan's one. You know, those things were so important for our culture. That's cut because Comedy Central is gone. My reality show, our reality show is gone because MTV is gone. So also cutting MTV. So now music videos, what happens now? Because yes, you're saying YouTube is a big place, but it was so important to have our music videos play on MTV because that created the energy and going to the MTV studios and doing interviews, it really built our culture. 68:08 You've completely cut that. Then our award ceremonies, the summers and the safters are looking like a freaking... 68:14 monkey circus like what is going on and then on top of that all the piano guys are not going shout out to your summer when you found out the other day there she goes she went to summer he did not to you but that stuff matters because i remember when we went to the summer woods yo it was so cool like it was so cool and you would see the mini chaminis but we also started boycotting the summers because of Casper, not because of our issue. We were just being bruised. 68:42 Cas, I tried, I tried, I tried. What do you mean he hosted it now? But we were actually just being loyal homies. 68:49 We were just being loyal. I had no issues with the summers. I performed in multiple times but it's just been it's like it's killing the industry so bad because all those things that people think don't matter really do and now because the artists don't even want to go they don't see value in the music awards so it's no longer exciting I remember when in the summer you really could bump your price your rate up not even really could it just went up it just went up And when you won, they gave you 100,000 Like you'd get a cash prize You wouldn't be paying for the award No, they would give you for winning No, yes, I mean, but from that time Not paying the award I mean, when you get it, legitimately Do you have to pay to get the award home? 69:30 No, I'm saying no I'm saying the Summers used to give you a cash prize Yes, yes, that I know For winning the award And that energy, like I'll never forget it and I get so sad about everybody else that's coming out after me because they're never going to feel that. That feeling of going to the summers then was so like, it was intoxicating. It was like, it motivated you even more to want to do more. Even when the mamas were around, it was just like, oh my gosh, what the hell? The mamas announced about three years ago. I think Bonang was actually supposed to be the host of it. Never happened. No one explained it. What's happening? 69:58 Yeah. 69:58 You know, the summers now went back to Sun City because it is an actual, what do you call it when you remember something and it makes you feel special? 70:07 Nostalgic. 70:07 Nostalgic. It's a very nostalgic thing. 70:09 Nadia is amazing at 30 seconds. Sorry. 70:11 I'll explain. She's amazing at 30 seconds. I'll break it down for you. It was a nostalgic thing to go back, but none of the artists were there. 70:20 They didn't feel like they needed to because they don't understand what Summers and Sun Cities was because it died. And it's just scary. Just like I hope like something changes and something is better because we can't lose our whole entertainment energy. And I feel like that's what's just happened with all these stations cutting, brands cutting. 70:37 Rock Nation does nothing for us as South African artists at all. You spending our money, taxpayers' money to go and witness Jay-Z on stage because you wanted to see him before you died. It's cool, bro. 70:49 Not even for you. MT wants to fill up F&B. Let's do that. Yeah, let's do that. You know what I mean? Let's fucking do that. 70:56 Or let's make it actually better for artists to be recognized as actually employed. You're right? For our status to actually be a little bit something different. Or for actors to finally earn royalties off of the their movies and their series without it being a conversation of like managers it just should be standard like standard you get a 3% or 5% it's cool we understand they didn't pay for the production we understand you didn't invest in the production but that is your IP there's no way you can die and do all these amazing films and movies and not earn a single cent a percentage of a royalty of something that a whole generation grew up on imagine yeah That to me makes no sense. 71:42 How about we start there? You know? 71:44 Because like generations was dope, guys. 71:46 And now you're telling me you don't get paid. And sure, there might be actors within the generations. 71:53 Actors that might have negotiated for... 71:56 Better for themselves. We get it. 71:58 But now we want it standard. We need it to be standard, you know? 72:02 But now how can they even do that when budgets are being cut? 72:05 You know, like budgets are being cut from like 500 million to 50. 72:09 Yeah, it's crazy. 72:09 I don't know if the numbers are correct, but I'm just giving you a ratio of like how big it was. Allegedly. Allegedly. From how big it was to what it is now. It's not when they said 500, we're cutting to 450. No, it's like 500 million to 50. Something crazy like that. 72:25 You know what I mean? I haven't heard Dose's perspective on this matter. I'd like to give you the floor if you have anything to add. Sorry, we're talking. The mic is above your head there. My brother. There we go. 72:38 Myself and Nadia had a podcast together, by the way. You guys are besties, so we get it. 72:44 Sure does. 72:45 I mean, like, it's what Nadia said also. 72:49 Like, I suppose what she said when she's like, Gaten is the one that's in charge of, that's actually, has the power to make a change, right? 72:58 Rather than just spewing around, it won't make any difference, any impact. So we need to make, like, take it direct. Like, we need to make, like, budgets have been cut. 73:16 But let's be real about it, right? 73:25 If Gaten was in the room right now, what would each one of you tell them the number one thing that needs to be done for the arts field? 73:35 What would you tell them the number one thing? 73:37 I think South Africans were getting to a very dangerous place where we're becoming hopeless. 73:41 where it's like, we will talk and it's like Nadia said, this is pointless. People that are watching it are going to agree with us and then they're going to go right back to sleep or go grooving afterwards. So my then question would then be that mindset that you, the school of thought that you always have, the mindset of no one's going to save you. 74:01 How can we implement that and also still tap onto the global? 74:06 That would be my thing. 74:07 Okay, but the global is totally different, right? Because when she referenced the global, it's like a global issue in terms of world politics, right? So now we're talking art. The world doesn't care. Now, when it comes to art, they don't care. They have their own art issues. They have their own arts and culture issues, whatever, you know? But when it comes to your first point of no one's coming to save you, what would I say? 74:28 Yeah, what would you say? 74:29 I would say fuck the government. They're not coming to save you. You're going to say save yourself again. What you should invest in is knowledge. And I'm telling you right now, knowledge is everywhere. Like if you have a question, fucking chat GPT that shit right now. 74:44 You're going to get closer to when you were two seconds ago. 74:48 Even if the information might not be all the way correct, it's going to spark something in you and give you a little bit more knowledge than you had a It's time to make a fire, I get you. That's all I'm saying because they're not coming. Guys, commerce exists for a reason. Nadia, myself, Doss, we can drop merch for a reason. We don't need the government to drop merch. Nadia can start a makeup company from China, importing shit, importing, like everyone does, nigga. without the government, because it's possible. 75:20 So I would say- Well, I still pay SARS to the government. It's never without the government. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah. They're eating. 75:27 But they didn't need the government to make that happen. 75:31 100%. You know? 75:33 No, no, no. Don't do that as if I'm saying. He asked the question- It sounds like he's talking from privilege again. No, no, no, no. 75:39 His question. I really feel like he's saying it. No, remember. 75:42 Remember, he's asking a question. Like, what would my advice be? Because it's coming to you. I understand. So you're going to give me advice. You're going to give me advice. Unless you're responding to yours. No, mine doesn't need a response. No, it does. No, no. Respond. Respond. I give you. But I'm not done. But I'm not done. So the point is, you're saying, what would my advice be? I would be like, the government is not coming to save you. There's so many billionaires and millionaires. My parents had nothing. 76:09 When they grew up, they were impoverished and somehow they made it happen. We have the same story. Your parents, same story. Your parents, same story. Your parents, same story. They made it happen somehow without the government. I'm sure none of us have stories like, yeah, the government came and saved my family and gave us X amount. 76:27 But I know some people that really did change their lives. 76:30 What, the government? 76:30 Yes. 76:31 Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. But I'm talking about artists. Right. Artists too. I'm talking about artists, right? 76:35 Artists, they build community centers. They build studios in the community to uplift the kids. They do community radio. It's not all bad, but you asked me for my advice. Okay. 76:43 My advice. 76:44 But I can't give you, I can't give feedback on your advice. No, you can't. Don't be a misogynist. I'm sorry. 76:49 But I hear but I hear breakfast 77:09 I hear Braga's points and this is why I told Braga in the beginning that, Braga, I can't argue with you because I love you so much. 77:18 No, but you make it seem like you can't argue with me because I'm wrong. No, because I love you so much. 77:24 Yes, but you don't have to argue with me aggressively. You can argue with me, but just with facts. My problem is when you made me cry, you had no facts and you're aggressive. But my point is this. You made me cry. Yeah, I didn't make her cry. Like the first time we ever traveled together, we had a debate and she at the end of the debate, she was like, oh my God. 77:46 And I'm sensitive about how Nadia receives me because I know I'm an aggressive guy. So with Nadia, I hold myself back a lot, but she's very aggressive. 77:57 I am. 77:59 You know, she's very aggressive. But my point is this. And this is how my mom raised me, my dad raised me. So all these things come from my parents, you know. I saw them do amazing things with their lives and they came from absolutely fucking nothing. So if my parents could show me that it's possible now in 2026, all I'm saying is, guys, your wildest dreams are possible. And I don't think there's anyone that's going to come and show you exactly how to do it I don't think Some of us are like Some people do get the best mentors Like some people do Like they get the best teams Like some people do But not for all of us You know what I mean? 78:34 Not for all of us And all I'm saying is guys Wake up in the morning, be hungry, and just figure out that solution because the government is definitely not on the other side to tell you what to do. That's all I'm saying. Everyone has their different situations. Yes, I agree with Nadia. Some of us come from a privileged place, but there's so many examples of people that do come from impoverished situations and less privileged, like Doss, like a lot of people that I hear on the couch with other guys, you know? So that's what I'm saying, Mahal. 79:05 Yeah, so I'm here to play devil's advocate. There's something that, you know, since I think Nadia said it, it's just been ringing in my head. It has to do with the question that UBU asked with regards to the responsibility of artists in, let's say, social issues and being, for a lack of a better word, activist right and i think it links to this um specific situation as well because do you think do you feel like if you had a government that actually like helped you like let's say a ukeiten was doing his job right when things would go wrong in a higher social space that you would feel more empowered to actually have a voice to check Like to, I don't know, like to maybe make music about it, to advocate, to just move forward. 79:59 Because I think it's, from my side, it's either one or two ways, right? It's either you pushed to the corner until you have no choice but to do it. Like what happened during apartheid. I mean, music was key in like the movement and the message. Keeping the dream alive, especially with people who were exiled and so on, like Huyumasekela and so on, right? But now... 80:18 if you because like now obviously we are in a position of privilege and freedom and so on right do you feel like if you had a government that actually looked out for you it would be easier for artists to be able to look out for everybody else how do you guys feel I feel like if ever we had like help from people like Gayton and everything and maybe something happens then I'd feel more you know like 80:47 You'd feel better about your government. At least. Yeah, I feel empowered. 80:50 That's the right way. I feel empowered to say something about it until I put it on a song or write something about it. Because there's nothing happening. They're not helping us with anything. It's like, no matter what I do, you won't do anything for me. If I say something, if I talk about it right now, there's nothing you're going to do. So I might as well just focus on what I... What I'm doing. What's gonna pay me. Exactly. Rather than just going to the government. They won't do anything. Yeah. So like, you're right. If I was pushed in the corner to say something because there's help that's coming from the government, I would say something. 81:24 But like, there's nothing that's happening. There's nothing that's pushing me from the government to do anything. 81:29 That's for a piano artist. 81:31 Yeah. 81:31 And that's, I'm a piano artist. 81:33 Come on now. So you can only understand that hippo artists play. Come on now. 81:38 We're nowhere near it. 81:40 And hip hop, we talk about the Amapiano, they usually reserve some vanity here for people who are doing it globally as well. Thank you very much. 81:47 Not even that. From my perspective, I would think that if the government would be supporting anyone, it would be supporting the Amapiano artists. Because they're the most exportable genre right now. So if an Amapiano artist can say, I'm not receiving a damn fucking thing, you can understand that. 82:02 Sorry to interrupt you. I actually feel like... 82:06 I don't know my facts again, allegedly. But I honestly feel like SA Tourism and like, I think SA Tourism actually does more for the piano acts as opposed to the sports entertainment. By helping... Look at him. SA Tourism. Which ones, nigga? Which ones? Because I thought SA Tourism was doing something with Tyler. They did, yeah. 82:33 So what I will say is... What did they do? 82:37 Of SA Tourism. Because I think SA Tourism loves piano, I'm assuming from what I've seen. They love Tyler. 82:44 They love Tyler. She's global. She's global. 82:48 Like, obviously. 82:49 Because for me as a consumer, I would think that they would actually invest more in the piano genre because it actually invites more people to come visit South Africa. Hence the whole SA Tourism of it all. But you're just saying they love Tyler. 83:03 Guys, what I will say is this, especially with SA Tourism, and I know myself, I'm about to send them a pitch deck as well, right? What I will say with them is, there's a lot of institutions and a lot of things that you can do as an artist, but it takes you, again, standing up and being hungry for something and saying, hey, I have this brilliant idea that I think SA Tourism will jump on. Let me go and pitch it to them. So I don't think SA Tourism just reached out to Tyler. I think Tyler's team was very strategic and said, hey, Tyler's going to be doing this in SA. So let's reach out and do this. I think I might have seen Yanga do something with SA Tourism. 83:37 Yeah, with his last video or something where he went back to Eastern Cape and it was SA Tourism involved. And I think also with his album, I think he might have gotten... 83:47 And didn't Anati go overseas for Fashion Week with Asian tourism? 83:52 I'm not sure. 83:53 But I know that they do try to do stuff with the culture. They do. 83:57 But it's not them just coming and saying, hey, BU, I think you're great. 84:01 We want 84:01 to pay for you no if there's institutions involved that hey we'll be like hey there's this thing happening I think Anati would be a great fit let me pitch this to Anati and SA Tourism let me make it happen because at the end of the day guys it's business you know like it's a contract it's a what do we call it in South Africa it's a tender It's a tender So you taking a 92 essay You're also going to put your markup on there And say okay yeah And that's the way business is supposed to go Everyone is supposed to get fed But yes they do have things like that But you are usually the one that needs to approach them Put in your pitch deck Which is still okay You know that's what I'm saying guys There's things Guys can we do one We didn't even touch the smoky bowl Can we do one round of the smoky bowl The rules are If there is no name at the beginning of the question, that means the question is for you. 84:50 Like if it just says Q and the question is for you. If it says a name at the beginning, that means it's for that person. If you don't want to answer the question, you take a shot and you are excused. Well, while you guys are reading DOS. 85:01 So if this says DOS on it, I'm going to give it to him. 85:04 No, no, you ask him the question. 85:06 Oh, it's directed to him. Yeah. But if it says Nadia, I'd have to choose another one. I'm going to ask myself. Oh, okay, cool. 85:11 So let me go first because mine is really simple and I need to check it. The question is, what is the last thing you Googled about yourself? I have to go into Google to see what's the last thing I Googled about myself. I know. 85:21 Who are you asking? 85:22 Himself. Oh, yourself. 85:23 Oh, that's to him. 85:25 About myself. 85:32 My last Google search was about myself was if you denounce Christ, do you get rejected from heaven? 85:41 I think you do though I think that goes without saying If you denounce Christ No, no, no My bad, my bad It says Christianity Christianity If you denounce Christianity Yeah, because that was That was for Chad I don't think you do either I don't think you do I feel like Christianity is man-made It is. It's our attempt at understanding this thing. But I think every religion is man-made. Every single religion is man-made. Everything you can see right now is man-made, including you, my nigga. Yeah, 100%. No, I'm God-made. You're man-made. 86:11 We're all God-made. We're all God-made. 86:13 As a human being, we all, yeah, 100%. 86:15 Tos, what's your question, my guy? 86:18 If you don't want to answer, you take a shot. Yeah, take a shot, brother. Okay. 86:24 What's the rule you had for dating that you broke the second the right person came along? Hello. Hey. The right person came along. 86:30 That's the right person, brother. I said I'd never date an artist. Walk us through it. 86:37 You can't say what he said. No, no, no. Yeah. 86:41 Yeah. 86:44 I think, like, it's just spending money on her, you know? 86:50 You said you wouldn't do anything. 86:51 I said I wouldn't do it. I was like, yeah, but then, yeah, when the right person came along, I did it, you know? That's what happens. I think I got my answer, yeah. Okay. 86:57 I like that. Okay. 87:11 Okay, you said if it has someone's name, what happens? 87:13 It's to that person. Okay, this is to you. 87:16 Yes. 87:19 Yes. It's random. 87:22 What's a question you always wanted to ask one of the current guests, but you're holding back? Oh, one of us. 87:27 Oh, yes, please. The guests. There's only two. And one of them is your bestie. But you're holding back. We need to... Oh, yes. Come on. Because you're a real nigga. 87:40 I wouldn't say that I've been holding it back, but let me just ask a question that would suffice. 87:49 Nadia, where are you in your healing journey from losing one of the loves of your life, Kenan? 87:59 Honestly I'm in a very good place But I feel like healing doesn't have an end date I think there'll be days I'm having a really good day And there'll be days I'll just have a memory And I'll feel a little bit sad But I feel more like myself than I've ever been Yeah, than like how I was before I've always been an actually happy person And love a girl A smiley person And I'm feeling the most that person now 88:24 Okay. That's dope. That's amazing. Okay. I'm happy for you. I'm happy for you. I'm happy for you. 88:28 Therapy? 88:28 Kudos. 88:29 Oh, let's not even go down that therapy. Therapy? Nah. And I've been telling you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 88:32 But let's not talk about it. He's my therapy. 88:37 Ah, you're seeing red flags already. That's right. 88:42 I don't be talking about babies. No. Therapy. Oh, I heard wrong. 88:45 I heard wrong. You said you're a hair therapy. You're a hair therapy. Okay, this question is for myself. 88:52 What's a professional favor you did for someone that they never returned? This must be a lot. Come on. 88:58 There's too many. Take a shot, though. 89:00 There's too many. There's too many. You want to take a shot Because you want to He wants to He's still going to answer it Because he's a real nigga Yeah Because honestly Because I feel like The relationship is not dead Just because someone doesn't owe you Just give you the favor back Right Like with Like sometimes things happen Right Like with my gig You were sick that night You know what I'm saying Like you were You were fucking sick So there have been instances like that Where they haven't returned the favor Because it was beyond them Yeah, but I can't be the example because I've been riding with you for years. 89:32 It was one gig I didn't make. But you can't. I'll take it with me. But the example is that the fact that she got sick and it was beyond her control. That's my example. That there's people that owe favors because it was beyond their, you know. 89:47 I think he's being soft. Can I answer for him? 89:49 Yeah, yes, please. 89:49 But I think it's just because I know him. 89:52 Not who, but I just feel like... 89:53 The question is who? 89:57 What's a professional? Oh, sorry. I thought it was who? No, what? Oh, what? Go for it. Okay, you go for it, Nadi. 90:05 No, if you have something, it's your question. 90:06 No, no, no. I want to hear you. 90:07 You know what I think it can really be, just because I saw it, is that a professional courtesy of like... 90:15 is a very like creative gifted artist you know so a lot of people will steal energy from him and even like take songs from him a lot of artists that were bigger than him at that point would take take take take take and then like when he started coming up with these songs like which one was the first hit Hennessy yeah yeah like when Hennessy it became so hard to like ask for features from the same people that were taking his energy from you know like like show up for me like the same I've been showing up with you for you before I even had this hit but like it's like they got uncomfortable that he actually eventually got a hit like it's like they didn't want him to get hit so I've seen it like okay cool but like this is the same person that you want to sit in your studio sessions for hours working on music giving you the play and it's like you're comfortable with him being the guy behind on the chair the guy behind the screen but like when he had Hennessy it was still like hard for him 91:00 for me I feel like it should have just been easy for those people to show up for him the way that he showed up for them you know 91:07 Damn, okay. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I forget it. I smoke so much weed that I forget. 91:11 This part of my life is not even like... Is there a name that you can and feel comfortable with sharing? There's a few names, but I'm not going to mention. Because the question wasn't who, anyways. I'm just kidding. Do you guys feel like, I know I'm sidestepping, 91:28 Can we do What's the Smoke? Let's do What's the Smoke, man. 91:31 My question is a rod, bro. So we close off the show. We've been trying to close off the show. The thing is, we talk so much that I don't think for the past episode we haven't been doing this. But this last segment of the show is basically anything that you want to bring to light this week. Something good, something positive or something not positive. Something that happened to you today. Something that's just been on your... What's your smoke? What do you want to give the smoke? Whether it's good or bad. It's up to you. 91:57 Can you go first? 91:57 I mean, I can start if you want to. 91:59 You can go first. I had a problem with my tap in my crib, right? 92:04 I gotta be serious. I didn't think you were going to say that. 92:12 He has a tap. 92:14 So I had a couple of plumbers come through. How many plumbers does it take? It was three. 92:22 How many plumbers does it take to fix being a tap? 92:26 So two of them were... 92:32 Pause that shit. Go ahead. 92:35 So two of them were foreign nationals. I don't know where they were from, but they weren't South African. And one of them was a white guy. The two guys that came up to my spot... They were very respectful You know They greeted me They took their shoes off At the door They came in And they were almost Talking to me like I'm really their boss You know And then the white guy came in with his shoes on. He knows my name. He knows my name. He can see my name, Lutando. But he's like, Lou, he's talking to me like he gave me a nickname. 93:09 You're a South African white man. How dare you not know how to say Lutando? I didn't want to be like Lutando or whatever. Like that courtesy of Ubuntu. I think it's... Come on, that's a very much talk. 93:18 Huh? That's a very much talk. 93:20 Come on, let me land. If a white man doesn't know how to say your name. Let me land. Let me land first. Let me land. So the courtesy of Ubuntu, I'm making this example. I'm not talking about this example. I'm making an example as a reference to it. It made me realize when they left, because this guy started vaping in the house and I was like... No, that is crazy. 93:36 That is insane. You just started with that. 93:39 No, I'm saying... You just started with that. Look, culturally, I went to a school where there was white boys and, you know, all of us mixed. So they... 93:49 You know, you can say that. So they would come to your house and they'd open the fridge. You know, that's in... Who would come to your house and open it? Your friends, your white friends would come to your house and open it? 93:57 What do you guys have today, bro? You know? 93:59 I had a black friend that did that. Damn. You had a black friend that did that? Yeah, yeah. 94:02 So I don't think we would say that's in... I grew up in a house where I couldn't even open the fridge myself. I had to ask to open the fridge before I opened it. Before I poured O-Ross, I had to ask, can I have some O-Ross? 94:12 Yes, yeah, I also came from my household. Jesus, open the fridge? Nah, that's crazy, digga. 94:16 so my landing my landing place my landing place and it might be a little bit too vague and it might be a topic for another day so we don't need to get into it but my thing is Ubuntu right like from small things from listening to people to remembering their name the small gestures it's so woody We don't even hold the same principles for different races as black people. You will speak English to accommodate and all those small nuances that I've picked up especially as Africans. 94:59 So that's my smoke for this week. 95:03 I don't even know if this even makes sense, but I feel like because you mentioned that they're foreign nationals, there's a reason why you mentioned that they were foreign nationals. Do you feel like they were very respectful to you in your house because they were foreign nationals? Imagine if it was people that were from your same tribe in your same area. Do you think they would have been that respectful to you in your house? 95:19 That's a great question. I don't know. I think each person is different. And I'd never... opened my house too far and that sounds weird but I've never had anyone like that in my space but they behaved exactly how I would like somebody who's a guest to behave in my house even if they're working you know what I mean but if it was a Zulu guy do you think he would have done the same thing? 95:40 Yes. 95:41 You think he would have? 95:41 Zulu. Zulu, yes. I think, yeah, I'm for his subordinates. He would have taken off his shoes. Maybe not the taking off the shoes, but if I'd need to tell him. And I think it might be a discussion of back and forth, but we'd eventually get there. With the white guy, I feel like I can't even bring that up. It's like, ah, you paid me. You know, that type of thing starts being a thing. 95:59 Yeah, but it could actually become a fight because of the ego that they always come in when they're dealing with black people. I hear you. And it's also the energy that they give of condescension. Oh, yes. Even in your own house, they'll make you feel like they're being very condescending towards you. 96:13 You know, I've had an Indian guy just woke up to me and be like, hey, which way to the... And I'm like, bro, like, hi. Like, hi, how are you? You know, I don't work for you type of thing. So I think it's cultural. 96:23 It's also the hierarchy of how they think they are. 96:25 Yeah, how high you think they are. 96:27 What's your smoke for the week, man? Good or bad? Good or bad? 96:33 um my smoke I think it was what Sommize did a video right on the internet and it was like it's so hard for someone that's depended on by like a lot of people to have their own time and everything breadwinner yeah the breadwinner like you always have to be there provide do whatever like when do you get the time to just be you be by yourself come on yes you're killing us come on yeah yeah yeah like So yeah, that's what's been on my mind. 97:06 It's like, do we always have to be on our toes every time? 97:11 It's unfortunate, but it's a reality, man. Especially if you love the people. If they're draining your energy, that's a conversation that I would sit you down for and be like, Why are you letting them drain your energy? But if it's people that you love, your grandmoms, your moms, your dad, your sisters, your brothers, then it becomes a bit tough. And I understand why, you know, it's like that, you know, it's unfortunate. But, you know, what do they say? What's the Spider-Man quote? 97:37 Well, I know where you're going. Is it the great thing? Yeah. With great power comes great responsibility. 97:43 Oh, yes. I was thinking of the Batman one. Which is what? The one that you, you live, you start off as a hero and you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. 97:54 That's another side of it. Cause sometimes you gotta cut family off. And be like, I've been doing this for too long. 97:59 You should be good by now, bro. That's when you become a villain. When I was like, cause also they came to me and some, there was a problem I had. Some of my family members came to me like, yeah, you need to start being selfish. 98:10 And I'm like, oh, the person that's being the problem is telling me to be selfish. 98:14 Because they want you to take care of them alone. Like everyone else. As long as you got me. Yeah, yeah. As long as I'm your only problem. 98:22 Me, the only one. 98:22 I must be the only problem. 98:23 Like that's crazy though. And when you start cutting them off, it's like, Expectations. That's when you become a villain. That's a deep chat, bro. 98:33 And I'm sure you even start looking at yourself in the mirror like, damn, am I a villain? Am I wrong in doing this? You start judging yourself. 98:40 Looking at yourself otherwise. Having to parent to parent is wild also. 98:45 Nadia, what's your smoke? 98:47 My smoke is very positive. I think this whole time that we've been pushing the EP Do's and Don'ts, I've just been seeing the comments and the comments have been so positive. Like the people, like I feel like I'm really grateful of like, I say the supporters, not fans, like people that have supported me because they're the same people that supported me like when I needed support. And like, I'm just seeing the positive energy, the excitement of them seeing us together, the project coming out. It's like, it's just really nice to see. And I'm so excited that they are just as excited about this EP as I am. 99:19 So my smoke is glittery and gold. 99:22 I'm happy. Is it the fan base called the Bragasi? 99:26 What is your fan base called? 99:29 Oh yeah, so it's both of us. 99:31 The gang put together, okay, that's fine. Now it's like Indaba Ganadi, you know what I mean? 99:38 That's good, that's a good one. 99:42 My smoke, I'm going to link it to what Nadia just said right now, and it's also positive, is I'm so happy to see you doing music that you seem really excited about. Because when we, no, not both of them. I'm talking to Nadia specifically. I'm talking to Nadia specifically. He'll tell you. 99:59 This is my smoke. 100:01 I'm talking to Nadia specifically. Because me and Nadia, we talk a lot. We've had very deep conversations. And there have been times where Nadia has given up on the music industry, to be honest. I think I called you in February. Or January. I think it was January. And I called you. I was like, what's the plan for the year? How you feeling about that? And you were like, yeah, no, I'm taking a step back. I just don't feel it anymore. I think I sent you a song. Like, yo, give me a verse. And you're like, yo. 100:29 you're like nah and that's what prompted the call like what the what's going on you know and you're like yeah I'm just not there anymore I just don't like the vibes I just don't like the energy I'm focusing on other things and I said to you like Nadia just never forget what got you here and you know start doing it for yourself so I'm happy that you are actually finding joy in the thing that we know you for and that brought you you know to us you know so that's my smoke for the week 100:57 Other than that, 2nd of October, my show, Propaganda, the Spring Bash. 101:01 Nadia's going to be there. Doss is on the lineup as well. BU's going to be there if he decides to show up for some extracurricular events for one time, you know? Tickets are available right now. Link will be in the bottom. And then, yeah, 12th of December, we've got the Road to 2 Million or Roast to 2 Million, you know? 101:20 What's that? So... 101:23 That's a very good question. That's a good question. 101:24 Roasted 2 million is now the network is working towards the 2 million subscriber mark. 101:30 Oh, okay. 101:31 And that's going to be happening in December. I think by the 12th at the Grand West Arena. 101:36 So it's going to be a roast. Oh, roasts of who? All the shows. All the shows. Who's roasting it? All the shows are all roasting each other. 101:44 But they also got some comedians on the line. 101:46 Yeah, we got some comedians. We got Tolas. We've got Bongani as writers. You know, it's going to be really dope. 101:52 Oh, that's cool. 101:53 Yeah, we're giving out prizes. We're actually going to call... Bless a flamer, baby. We're going to bless a flamer after this. And yeah, thank you for coming to another episode of All The Smoke, baby. We'll see you same time, same place next week. Get out. 102:06 Yes. Get the EP. 102:07 Hey, Charmaine, how are you? 102:15 I'm okay. How are you? 102:19 Oh, that energy. 102:23 What's up, Charmaine? The energy. The energy. 102:29 You are live on All The Smoke right now, Charmaine. How are you feeling? 102:34 Oh, I am ecstatic. I'm excited. 102:37 Ecstatic. We're ecstatic for you, too, because I guess you already know what time it is. 102:42 Of course I know BU. 102:46 She even knows your voice. 102:47 That's crazy. 102:49 Charmaine so you know why we're calling you clearly you have won a raffle pick because you have already bought your ticket to the road to 2 million can I ask you a personal question can I ask you a personal question 103:06 How personal is it? 103:07 It's not that personal. But it's personal. 103:10 Okay. 103:10 Say yes. Ask the question. 103:12 What draws you to this network? Like, what made you buy the actual tickets to the Rose 2 Minute? That's a good question. 103:23 First and foremost is because I'm Renda. 103:26 Oh, Renda! 103:28 What do you mean? 103:30 Okay. 103:31 Okay, and then secondly? And then secondly, I've just been loving... 103:37 the projection and the evolving of the network in general. It's exciting. But I actually bought the tickets when I finally did say I'm buying the ticket is because I had heard the list of the prices that you get, the giveaways. 103:55 What are you hearing? 103:59 Hey, shout out to the press team. 104:04 So you're not feeling the new prizes. Is that what you're saying? You're not feeling the fact that they changed the prizes. 104:11 No, I'm not feeling it. 104:13 But you know, Charmaine, the problem here is if we left the prizes the same way, then there was going to be a VIP full of like 200 people, you know? So we had to switch it up a little bit. No, but I don't even want to. 104:26 Okay, okay, cool, cool. 104:28 Thank you for saying that, right? Okay. 104:29 So we have a new list of prizes that you can pick from. You'll tell us which one you want. Or surprises. Prizes. 104:34 Prizes, yeah. 104:34 Right? Okay, number one. Limited edition merch. Number two. Food and drinks. Voucher on the night. Number three. Meet and greet on the day. Number four. We can pay for your flights. Which one do you choose? Yeah, out of the four. 104:48 She wanted that VIP. She was a VIP. She wanted that VIP. Thanks. 104:54 Listen, if you're a hustler, you're going to do what you have to do. But for now, which prize are you feeling for? 105:00 Guys, I'm hustling now. Can you please, guys, come on. 105:06 The problem is I don't know what you look like. So I can't take that dress. 105:11 I can't take that risk. What's your handle? Let's see your handle right now. What's your handle on IG? 105:17 Send your handle to how we'll talk about it. 105:19 Tell us now. You know? But for now, tell us which prize out of the ones that we gave you right now, are you feeling like, you know, you want to choose that one? 105:30 Guys, can I hear the list again? 105:33 The list is limited edition merch, food and drinks voucher on the night, meet and greet on the day, or pay for your flights. 105:41 Which one? Guys, I don't want any of that. Okay, but if I've gone to my head, I think I'll just go with... 105:59 Yeah, I'm so sorry. I'm a very indecisive person. But I think I will go with... Let me pick for you. 106:06 Can I pick for you? 106:11 Okay. Can I pick for you? Let's hear you tell her what I think. 106:14 I would pick paying for your flights. 106:18 No. 106:19 Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay. Then what do you pick? 106:22 Okay, the second best option is to pay for your food and drinks. 106:27 Yeah, what about the meat and green? Depending on how much you drink. You don't like the meat and green. 106:29 Oh, you don't drink that much. Okay, Charmaine, listen, listen, listen. You need to tell us right now. What are you paying? It's a big one. Come on. 106:35 Okay, the merch. I knew it. That's at number one. Ow. Boo, boo, boo, boo. 106:41 Damn. I can't clap for you, Charmaine. That's the weakest option. 106:44 But Charmaine, listen. Send your profile. I don't know. 106:50 What she wants, bro. Listen, Charmaine, send your profile to Mahal, and I will tell you what I can do for you on the side, okay? 106:57 What's your... Can we ask your handle? What's your handle? Give us your handle, mama. 107:02 Oh, yeah, for the people watching, what's your handle? What's your handle? 107:04 She's not on socials, unfortunately. 107:06 Ah, she's not on socials. She's not on socials? Yeah. You see, now we can't help you, Charmaine. 107:10 All right. 107:12 So we'll see you there on the 12th of December at the Grand West Arena, eh? 107:19 Enda. What it be? 107:22 Charmaine, we'll see you there, né? 107:24 All right, cool. 107:25 All right, Charmaine, we'll see you there. Thank you so much, Charmaine. 107:29 Bye. 107:30 Thank you. Bye.